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Everything Israel says is taken at face value and parroted by the western media, but anything Palestinians say is scrutinized and cast doubt and smeared as "Ham

Everything Israel says is taken at face value and parroted by the western media, but anything Palestinians say is scrutinized and cast doubt and smeared as "Hamas lies". The only way that neither side can object is from international journalists. Guess what, they're not allowed in, lest the truth comes out.

idiomat9000 1y ago
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- Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
  This war doesn't really have anything to do with religion anyway. Besides: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
  - breppp 1y ago
    Except one of the belligerents believes: "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day" "Nothing in nationalism is more significant or deeper than in the case when an enemy should tread Moslem land. Resisting and quelling the enemy becomes the individual duty of every Moslem [sic], male or female" "Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight."
    - Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
      I mean, they all sound pretty indoctrinated to me. If I had been born in a war torn country I can imagine finding those fairy tales quite aluring. Religion here is the pretext neighbors use to justify their anger.
      - tguvot 1y ago
        for the past two years the Hamas leadership had been talking about implementing "the last promise" (alwaed al'akhir) – a divine promise regarding the end of days, when all human beings will accept Islam. Sinwar and his circle ascribed an extreme and literal meaning to the notion of "the promise, " a belief that pervaded all their messages: in speeches, sermons, lectures in schools and universities. The cardinal theme was the implementation of the last promise, which included the forced conversion of all heretics to Islam, or their killing. https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/2024-04/Hamas%20Actually%20Believed%20It%20Would%20Conquer%20Israel.%20In%20Preparation,%20It%20Divided%20the%20Country%20Into%20Cantons%20-%20Israel%20News%20-%20Haaretz.com_.pdf https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/20...
        Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
        I have no issue with countries fighting Hamas. I have issues with countries sending bombs somwhere where the median age is less than 20 years old. In the USA half of the population wouldn't even have the right to drink but here they are deemed too radicalized already to deserve carpet bombings. My take is that if a 100th of the war budget of Israel had been allocated to building schools and peace propaganda in palestine none of these decades of violence would have happened. The only situation where bombs defeat a radicalized population is when they eradicate said population, and that sounds like a genocide to me. See Vietnam for a concrete example.
        breppp 1y ago
        > My take is that if a 100th of the war budget of Israel had been allocated to building schools and peace propaganda in palestine none of these decades of violence would have happened The UN has invested around a billion yearly in UNRWA, an agency whose half of budget (twice than what you propose) is supposed to educate Palestinian children for peace, mainly using funds contributed by the west. UNRWA however has removed the holocaust from its human rights curriculum, has many Hamas members on its payroll, including some teachers who held hostages and regularly talks about Jihad and martyrdom in its curriculum. So, yeah peace education? that works less when you are under a control of an islamist terror organization or ran by the local population that does not have fully bought to your peace idea yet
7402 1y ago
I don't know what you're reading, but on HN, almost nothing Israel says is taken at face value, everything Israel says is scrutinized and cast doubt upon. I don't see a lot of questioning of statements derived from Palestinians, Hamas, or Al Jazeera.
- jjani 1y ago
  Almost no post on HN related to Israel remains unflagged.
  - 7402 1y ago
    Well this one isn't. People flag articles because they disagree with them, but also because they just think the discussion may descend into uninformative yelling. My point concerned the discussions that do appear, rather than which articles make it through unflagged, but even there it appears they don't support the narrative of "only good things about Israel appear in the media." There's a relevant discussion in this recent post from a couple weeks ago: Ask HN: Are we allowed to discuss Israel on HN? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44947788 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44947788 "We want to give the topic of Israel and Gaza fair exposure, as it's obviously an important story and it would feel wrong to pretend it's not happening. At the same time, every time we have one of these stories on the front page, it turns in to a hellish flamewar, we have to spend all day moderating it..."
    - jjani 1y ago
      Correct, this one is a very rare exception. There's indeed multiple reasons that it happens. But it does happen to the huge majority of them.
jjani 1y ago
They are allowed in, after which they're summarily executed by the IDF.

idiomat9000 1y ago

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Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
This war doesn't really have anything to do with religion anyway. Besides: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
- breppp 1y ago
  Except one of the belligerents believes: "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day" "Nothing in nationalism is more significant or deeper than in the case when an enemy should tread Moslem land. Resisting and quelling the enemy becomes the individual duty of every Moslem [sic], male or female" "Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight."
  - Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
    I mean, they all sound pretty indoctrinated to me. If I had been born in a war torn country I can imagine finding those fairy tales quite aluring. Religion here is the pretext neighbors use to justify their anger.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      for the past two years the Hamas leadership had been talking about implementing "the last promise" (alwaed al'akhir) – a divine promise regarding the end of days, when all human beings will accept Islam. Sinwar and his circle ascribed an extreme and literal meaning to the notion of "the promise, " a belief that pervaded all their messages: in speeches, sermons, lectures in schools and universities. The cardinal theme was the implementation of the last promise, which included the forced conversion of all heretics to Islam, or their killing. https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/2024-04/Hamas%20Actually%20Believed%20It%20Would%20Conquer%20Israel.%20In%20Preparation,%20It%20Divided%20the%20Country%20Into%20Cantons%20-%20Israel%20News%20-%20Haaretz.com_.pdf https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/20...
      - Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
        I have no issue with countries fighting Hamas. I have issues with countries sending bombs somwhere where the median age is less than 20 years old. In the USA half of the population wouldn't even have the right to drink but here they are deemed too radicalized already to deserve carpet bombings. My take is that if a 100th of the war budget of Israel had been allocated to building schools and peace propaganda in palestine none of these decades of violence would have happened. The only situation where bombs defeat a radicalized population is when they eradicate said population, and that sounds like a genocide to me. See Vietnam for a concrete example.
        breppp 1y ago
        > My take is that if a 100th of the war budget of Israel had been allocated to building schools and peace propaganda in palestine none of these decades of violence would have happened The UN has invested around a billion yearly in UNRWA, an agency whose half of budget (twice than what you propose) is supposed to educate Palestinian children for peace, mainly using funds contributed by the west. UNRWA however has removed the holocaust from its human rights curriculum, has many Hamas members on its payroll, including some teachers who held hostages and regularly talks about Jihad and martyrdom in its curriculum. So, yeah peace education? that works less when you are under a control of an islamist terror organization or ran by the local population that does not have fully bought to your peace idea yet

7402 1y ago

I don't know what you're reading, but on HN, almost nothing Israel says is taken at face value, everything Israel says is scrutinized and cast doubt upon. I don't see a lot of questioning of statements derived from Palestinians, Hamas, or Al Jazeera.

jjani 1y ago
Almost no post on HN related to Israel remains unflagged.
- 7402 1y ago
  Well this one isn't. People flag articles because they disagree with them, but also because they just think the discussion may descend into uninformative yelling. My point concerned the discussions that do appear, rather than which articles make it through unflagged, but even there it appears they don't support the narrative of "only good things about Israel appear in the media." There's a relevant discussion in this recent post from a couple weeks ago: Ask HN: Are we allowed to discuss Israel on HN? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44947788 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44947788 "We want to give the topic of Israel and Gaza fair exposure, as it's obviously an important story and it would feel wrong to pretend it's not happening. At the same time, every time we have one of these stories on the front page, it turns in to a hellish flamewar, we have to spend all day moderating it..."
  - jjani 1y ago
    Correct, this one is a very rare exception. There's indeed multiple reasons that it happens. But it does happen to the huge majority of them.

jjani 1y ago

They are allowed in, after which they're summarily executed by the IDF.