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What would be my options as an end user who does not want to root his device

by camdroidw 1y ago

aydyn 1y ago
Cry in a corner ig?
- zx8080 1y ago
  Maybe use iphone? There will be not much advantages left on Android side after that shit gets go.
  - scotty79 1y ago
    I might just move to whatever Chinese come up with. By 2027 their tech should be clearly superior in every way.
    - silon42 1y ago
      If there's a cheap Chinese phone that banks/google accept, that might be my second (non-rooted) phone.
  - politelemon 1y ago
    Even without side loading there are several advantages and freedoms that Android has unmatched.
    - littlecranky67 1y ago
      such as? Curious, because on iOS you can freely install browser extensions (adblockers like uBlock origin lite) from the get go. Still boggles my mind that Chrome does not allow extensions.
      - cyberax 1y ago
        Alternative browser engines, JIT-compilation support (enables apps like Koreader), ability to completely disable animations, etc.
        gkbrk 1y ago
        With sideloading being disabled, it takes a single decision from a Google employee to completely get rid of all browser engines and apps that use JIT.
        cyberax 1y ago
        It's not feasible, several large projects completely depend on the ffi interface that needs JIT.
        littlecranky67 1y ago
        Alternate browser engines are now possible in the EU, there is just not much interest in porting to iOS. To me it sounds just bad UX that the first thing you need to do on Chrome to enable Adblock is to switch browser, vs. just installing an extension with the default browser that probably 90%+ of Android users use.
    - import 1y ago
      Like what? I am curious what’s left
      - Aardwolf 1y ago
        Choice of running multiple browsers with different engines
userbinator 1y ago
who does not want to root his device Why not? Freedom isn't a given --- you need to fight for it.
- Kwpolska 1y ago
  Rooting a device will usually cause banking apps to stop working.
  - userbinator 1y ago
    There are still workarounds. The way to win is to keep fighting.
    - kikokikokiko 1y ago
      All banks in Brazil now use the Google Play Integrity api. I've been on rooted phones for almost 15 years, and I'll never not main a rooted phone. But for a couple years now, I have to keep a separate phone just to be able to use tha f*cking banks.
  - immibis 1y ago
    Then go to your bank and say hey, fix this or close my account
    - debugnik 1y ago
      And they'll gladly close it, them and every other bank. We lack alternatives so we lack leverage.
    - okanat 1y ago
      In many European countries this means you cannot have a online-activated bank account. Offline banking is paid and often expensive.
- psychoslave 1y ago
  You can't expect people to go into fight mode for every single chunk of social interaction they engage into, and still be able to enjoy any moment of freedom. A society which value freedom should of course give a lot of it to its citizen, and expect them to defend and improve it for everyone. A society where freedom is never a given, is not going to foster much of it.
add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
I assume my S20+ won't get this because it's stopped getting anything but security updates. Sometime next year I'll look for the latest phone that's too old to get the new behavior.
- rickdeckard 1y ago
  I assume this will not be rolled out as an OS-upgrade but as a Play services update, so it will be enrolled by Google directly to nearly all devices on the market.
  - add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
    If so then that blows, but I'm still hopeful Samsung won't create an update for this. Unless this is something Google silently updates in the background even with automatic app updates turned off.
    - rickdeckard 1y ago
      Samsung is not in control of this. Play services is a quite broad framework that is fully in control of Google, and the foundation for many services and applications on the device (including Play Store itself). If you would factory-reset your device right now, it would reset to the version of Play Services that came with the installed device firmware, but upon startup the services framework would likely fetch information that it is outdated and won't continue until you have upgraded it. In this state you could probably use your device and sideload apps, but none of the Google Mobile Services (Play Store, Gmail, Maps, YouTube,...) and 3rd party apps which require Google APIs will work
captainepoch 1y ago
For now, there isn't an alternative. Maybe a Pixel phone and GrapheneOS with the sandboxed Play Store would be the only choice, but for now, nobody knows.
preisschild 1y ago
Google Pixel + GrapheneOS If you want to know if your Banking App is compatible: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...
sjogress 1y ago
Perhaps a Fairphone 6 with /e/OS (which is a de-googled Android)? https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-s...

What would be my options as an end user who does not want to root his device

aydyn 1y ago

Cry in a corner ig?

zx8080 1y ago
Maybe use iphone? There will be not much advantages left on Android side after that shit gets go.
- scotty79 1y ago
  I might just move to whatever Chinese come up with. By 2027 their tech should be clearly superior in every way.
  - silon42 1y ago
    If there's a cheap Chinese phone that banks/google accept, that might be my second (non-rooted) phone.
- politelemon 1y ago
  Even without side loading there are several advantages and freedoms that Android has unmatched.
  - littlecranky67 1y ago
    such as? Curious, because on iOS you can freely install browser extensions (adblockers like uBlock origin lite) from the get go. Still boggles my mind that Chrome does not allow extensions.
    - cyberax 1y ago
      Alternative browser engines, JIT-compilation support (enables apps like Koreader), ability to completely disable animations, etc.
      - gkbrk 1y ago
        With sideloading being disabled, it takes a single decision from a Google employee to completely get rid of all browser engines and apps that use JIT.
        cyberax 1y ago
        It's not feasible, several large projects completely depend on the ffi interface that needs JIT.
      - littlecranky67 1y ago
        Alternate browser engines are now possible in the EU, there is just not much interest in porting to iOS. To me it sounds just bad UX that the first thing you need to do on Chrome to enable Adblock is to switch browser, vs. just installing an extension with the default browser that probably 90%+ of Android users use.
  - import 1y ago
    Like what? I am curious what’s left
    - Aardwolf 1y ago
      Choice of running multiple browsers with different engines

userbinator 1y ago

who does not want to root his device Why not? Freedom isn't a given --- you need to fight for it.

Kwpolska 1y ago
Rooting a device will usually cause banking apps to stop working.
- userbinator 1y ago
  There are still workarounds. The way to win is to keep fighting.
  - kikokikokiko 1y ago
    All banks in Brazil now use the Google Play Integrity api. I've been on rooted phones for almost 15 years, and I'll never not main a rooted phone. But for a couple years now, I have to keep a separate phone just to be able to use tha f*cking banks.
- immibis 1y ago
  Then go to your bank and say hey, fix this or close my account
  - debugnik 1y ago
    And they'll gladly close it, them and every other bank. We lack alternatives so we lack leverage.
  - okanat 1y ago
    In many European countries this means you cannot have a online-activated bank account. Offline banking is paid and often expensive.
psychoslave 1y ago
You can't expect people to go into fight mode for every single chunk of social interaction they engage into, and still be able to enjoy any moment of freedom. A society which value freedom should of course give a lot of it to its citizen, and expect them to defend and improve it for everyone. A society where freedom is never a given, is not going to foster much of it.

add-sub-mul-div 1y ago

I assume my S20+ won't get this because it's stopped getting anything but security updates. Sometime next year I'll look for the latest phone that's too old to get the new behavior.

rickdeckard 1y ago
I assume this will not be rolled out as an OS-upgrade but as a Play services update, so it will be enrolled by Google directly to nearly all devices on the market.
- add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
  If so then that blows, but I'm still hopeful Samsung won't create an update for this. Unless this is something Google silently updates in the background even with automatic app updates turned off.
  - rickdeckard 1y ago
    Samsung is not in control of this. Play services is a quite broad framework that is fully in control of Google, and the foundation for many services and applications on the device (including Play Store itself). If you would factory-reset your device right now, it would reset to the version of Play Services that came with the installed device firmware, but upon startup the services framework would likely fetch information that it is outdated and won't continue until you have upgraded it. In this state you could probably use your device and sideload apps, but none of the Google Mobile Services (Play Store, Gmail, Maps, YouTube,...) and 3rd party apps which require Google APIs will work

captainepoch 1y ago

For now, there isn't an alternative. Maybe a Pixel phone and GrapheneOS with the sandboxed Play Store would be the only choice, but for now, nobody knows.

preisschild 1y ago

Google Pixel + GrapheneOS If you want to know if your Banking App is compatible: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

sjogress 1y ago

Perhaps a Fairphone 6 with /e/OS (which is a de-googled Android)? https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-s...