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That’s also weird to me. I don’t have current 2025 info on the sanctions, but back in early 2022 I had a colleague with Russian citizenship who was living in Ir
by jkaplowitz 1y ago
That’s also weird to me. I don’t have current 2025 info on the sanctions, but back in early 2022 I had a colleague with Russian citizenship who was living in Ireland (with proper permission to live and work - I think even permanent residence). He was exempted from the nationality-based sanctions because of his EU residence, although he did have to prove it to e.g. his banks.
Do the sanctions applicable in 2025 apply even to EU residents of Russian nationality or origin without such an exemption, or is this person covered by more narrow sanctions like one which name him individually, or is Apple going beyond the sanctions rules here for a store they don’t even operate?
Edit: reading the linked GitHub discussion more closely, it seems that he expects to benefit from the same exemption as I was describing, with the problem being twofold: one, the developer had neglected to update his personal info in Apple’s dev portal - not Apple’s fault, at least assuming that sanctions enforcement is their job at all in this scenario. But two, Apple has taken a long time to react to this guy providing proof of his Maltese residence, so that’s on them for being an unresponsive bottleneck.
- isodev 1y agoAnd 3, Apple asking for a photo of the ID instead of using eID so the entire process can be tap > Face ID (in your country’s eID app) > done. Also for some reason on App Store Connect, Apple is asking for a country of birth, not citizenship so with that alone, it’s unclear to me how can they make a determination at all. Once again, our random spawn point (of which we have no control) is interfering with what we can and can’t do in life. Oh and Apple totally not getting how people live and move in the EU.
- tempaccount420 1y ago> our random spawn point It's not random.
- throw-the-towel 1y ago> Once again, our random spawn point (of which we have no control) is interfering with what we can and can’t do in life. This is how wartime works.
- delfinom 1y ago>And 3, Apple asking for a photo of the ID instead of using eID so the entire process can be tap > Face ID (in your country’s eID app) > done. Because actual technology is alien to Americans. We are still signing documents as if that means securitah.
- jkaplowitz 1y agoMy understanding is that the EU sanctions themselves do care about place of birth, separately from citizenship, not just Apple’s implementation. I’ve certainly seen such a question in non-Apple implementations of these sanctions. As for not supporting eID, yeah that isn’t great, but so many people have non-electronic EU residence permits (including me within the last few years - though I don’t have Russian origin or citizenship) that they’d have to support the non-eID flow regardless. Maybe they wanted one fewer flow to implement, or maybe they felt that eID verification didn’t meet their compliance needs. No idea there.
- duskwuff 1y ago> But two, Apple has taken a long time to react to this guy providing proof of his Maltese residence, so that’s on them for being an unresponsive bottleneck. Someone I know has Maltese citizenship. From the stories they've told, the unresponsive party might not be Apple. (At one point, my friend had to show up at the Maltese immigration office in person to get them to respond to an inquiry.)
- franga2000 1y agoAFAIK Apple doesn't actually check with the governments, they just look at the PDFs you send them.
- jkaplowitz 1y agoThe proof of residence that he said he sent Apple was his Maltese residence permit, so unless Apple verifies provided documents with the issuing authorities (honestly doubtful), the bottleneck is within Apple and/or anyone to whom they outsource these appeals.
- throw-the-towel 1y agoYou're technically right, but entities find it easier to just ban everyone suspicious than to devote time and manpower to actually investigate.
- j-bos 1y agoNo due process from corporations.