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I saw this yesterday which really changed my mind: https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000010370105/nasser-hospital-gaza-israel-attack-videos.html

I saw this yesterday which really changed my mind: https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000010370105/nasser-hospital-gaza-israel-attack-videos.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/1000000103701...

bjoli 1y ago
Listening to interviews of the people from the west who have been to Gaza (doctors and nurses) I think it has been pretty clear what kind of violence is being perpetrated towards the civilian population. Things I found especially disturbing was Nick Maynard accusation of using teenagers as target practice, and Anthony Aguilar's description of the absolute horror of the GHF relief sites. But these are just a few of many. There have been more stories of children shot in the head or chest than I can count, and when the stories of snipers shooting children started to fizzle out, it was instead drones that did the shooting. Together with the absolutely abhorrent things said by Israeli ministers and parliament members I have had no doubt that this has been a genocide for quite some time. The hardest thing to accept has been the complicit western media. On one side they have reported about killings, but then promptly reported the Israeli spokesperson's response to the accusations despite them being caught lying over and over again. Like the massacre of the ambulance drivers that first was not communicated with cogat. When it was shown to be communicated to cogat, they did not have their emergency lights and sirens on. When films surfaced of them with their lights and sirens on it was going to be "investigated". That led nowhere, despite the soldiers actively trying to hide their tracks by burying all the victims - some with ther frikken hands tied. This pattern has repeated itself over and over and over, yet news outlets like the BBC or CNN seem to say to themselves "ah, but this time they are telling the truth". My own government have been more preoccupied with hiding it's own cowardice than with standing up for any kind of principles. They believe in nothing and I have nothing but contempt for them.
- abdusco 1y ago
  Everything Israel says is taken at face value and parroted by the western media, but anything Palestinians say is scrutinized and cast doubt and smeared as "Hamas lies". The only way that neither side can object is from international journalists. Guess what, they're not allowed in, lest the truth comes out.
  - idiomat9000 1y ago
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    - Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
      This war doesn't really have anything to do with religion anyway. Besides: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
      - breppp 1y ago
        Except one of the belligerents believes: "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day" "Nothing in nationalism is more significant or deeper than in the case when an enemy should tread Moslem land. Resisting and quelling the enemy becomes the individual duty of every Moslem [sic], male or female" "Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight."
        Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
        I mean, they all sound pretty indoctrinated to me. If I had been born in a war torn country I can imagine finding those fairy tales quite aluring. Religion here is the pretext neighbors use to justify their anger.
        tguvot 1y ago
        for the past two years the Hamas leadership had been talking about implementing "the last promise" (alwaed al'akhir) – a divine promise regarding the end of days, when all human beings will accept Islam. Sinwar and his circle ascribed an extreme and literal meaning to the notion of "the promise, " a belief that pervaded all their messages: in speeches, sermons, lectures in schools and universities. The cardinal theme was the implementation of the last promise, which included the forced conversion of all heretics to Islam, or their killing. https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/2024-04/Hamas%20Actually%20Believed%20It%20Would%20Conquer%20Israel.%20In%20Preparation,%20It%20Divided%20the%20Country%20Into%20Cantons%20-%20Israel%20News%20-%20Haaretz.com_.pdf https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/20...

bjoli 1y ago

Listening to interviews of the people from the west who have been to Gaza (doctors and nurses) I think it has been pretty clear what kind of violence is being perpetrated towards the civilian population. Things I found especially disturbing was Nick Maynard accusation of using teenagers as target practice, and Anthony Aguilar's description of the absolute horror of the GHF relief sites. But these are just a few of many. There have been more stories of children shot in the head or chest than I can count, and when the stories of snipers shooting children started to fizzle out, it was instead drones that did the shooting. Together with the absolutely abhorrent things said by Israeli ministers and parliament members I have had no doubt that this has been a genocide for quite some time. The hardest thing to accept has been the complicit western media. On one side they have reported about killings, but then promptly reported the Israeli spokesperson's response to the accusations despite them being caught lying over and over again. Like the massacre of the ambulance drivers that first was not communicated with cogat. When it was shown to be communicated to cogat, they did not have their emergency lights and sirens on. When films surfaced of them with their lights and sirens on it was going to be "investigated". That led nowhere, despite the soldiers actively trying to hide their tracks by burying all the victims - some with ther frikken hands tied. This pattern has repeated itself over and over and over, yet news outlets like the BBC or CNN seem to say to themselves "ah, but this time they are telling the truth". My own government have been more preoccupied with hiding it's own cowardice than with standing up for any kind of principles. They believe in nothing and I have nothing but contempt for them.

abdusco 1y ago
Everything Israel says is taken at face value and parroted by the western media, but anything Palestinians say is scrutinized and cast doubt and smeared as "Hamas lies". The only way that neither side can object is from international journalists. Guess what, they're not allowed in, lest the truth comes out.
- idiomat9000 1y ago
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  - Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
    This war doesn't really have anything to do with religion anyway. Besides: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
    - breppp 1y ago
      Except one of the belligerents believes: "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day" "Nothing in nationalism is more significant or deeper than in the case when an enemy should tread Moslem land. Resisting and quelling the enemy becomes the individual duty of every Moslem [sic], male or female" "Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight."
      - Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
        I mean, they all sound pretty indoctrinated to me. If I had been born in a war torn country I can imagine finding those fairy tales quite aluring. Religion here is the pretext neighbors use to justify their anger.
        tguvot 1y ago
        for the past two years the Hamas leadership had been talking about implementing "the last promise" (alwaed al'akhir) – a divine promise regarding the end of days, when all human beings will accept Islam. Sinwar and his circle ascribed an extreme and literal meaning to the notion of "the promise, " a belief that pervaded all their messages: in speeches, sermons, lectures in schools and universities. The cardinal theme was the implementation of the last promise, which included the forced conversion of all heretics to Islam, or their killing. https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/2024-04/Hamas%20Actually%20Believed%20It%20Would%20Conquer%20Israel.%20In%20Preparation,%20It%20Divided%20the%20Country%20Into%20Cantons%20-%20Israel%20News%20-%20Haaretz.com_.pdf https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/20...