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> Because having their own state isnt their goal, the destruction of zionism is Oh of course, these are not people- they don't want their own good, they want t

> Because having their own state isnt their goal, the destruction of zionism is Oh of course, these are not people- they don't want their own good, they want to destroy others. Is this what you mean? > israel was content to let the palestinians chill until oct 7th while hamas spent the previous two decades bombarding tel aviv You obviously don't know that Israel bombarded Gaza killing 1800 people in 2008/9, 430 people between 2010 and 2104, 2270 people in 2015, plus 800 more between 2016 to 2023? This 4 times the victims of October 7- and we don't count the blockade and the wrecked economy. > We dont have to be racist to point out that hamas fucking sucks and has done nothing but make life worse for everyone in gaza Yes of course, blame the victims. No, Israel has imprisoned 2 million people inside Gaza for 20 years and periodically bombed them, and this is an unimaginable crime, orders of magnitude worse than Hamas ever did. Frankly, October 7 was horrible but nothing in comparison, plus it was obviously needed to bring the necessary attention to the situation. Fucking sucks, but hey, that's something Israel brought upon itself thanks to its criminal behaviour and the complicity of the West.

HDThoreaun 1y ago
What is the point of acting like Hamas has not constantly, from its inception, called for the utter destruction of israel? You are not tricking anyone here, they werent trying to hide it or anything. I agree the palestinians have been horribly oppressed by the Israelis, but sometimes people deserve to be oppressed. Sucks for all the kids born in gaza but its not israels fault their society has called for genocide of jews for like 80 years now. I feel way worse for Palestinians in the west bank than those in gaza. The west bankers truly got fucked by israel, the gazans largely deserve what they got. You dont get to constantly launch rockets at their biggest city and then claim you want peace.
- throw310822 1y ago
  > What is the point of acting like Hamas has not constantly, from its inception, called for the utter destruction of israel? What is the point of acting like Israel doesn't have the means of wiping Hamas 100 times over? You know, even if you don't like the goals of Hamas (which is not monolithic, it has even accepted Palestine in the 1967 borders, offered 10-year truces, etc)- if you give people what is fair, and cooperate, and let them have a life with hopes and future- you will get peace in return- with or without Hamas. And the bottom off this idea of "Hamas wants to destroy Israel" there is always the idea that Palestinians are rabid animals, more interested in destroying the others than in their own happiness. This is stupid and racist. > You dont get to constantly launch rockets at their biggest city and then claim you want peace. Well, you don't get to take someone's land, enforce apartheid, close 2 million people in a cage and claim you want peace either. You take the rockets, ffs, in fact you deserve much bigger ones.
  - HDThoreaun 1y ago
    > Well, you don't get to take someone's land, enforce apartheid, close 2 million people in a cage and claim you want peace either. The palestinains started pretty much every war. Israel won them. If the palestinians didnt want to be stuck in gaza they shouldnt have started and lost all those wars. Now they have to live with the consequences. To be clear I dont think gazans are wrong for being pissed about their situation. I do think theyre wrong for doing absolutely nothing to improve it though. I think theyre wrong for starting wars they cant win and then complaining when they dont win them. > the idea that Palestinians are rabid animals, more interested in destroying the others than in their own happiness. Maybe if they stopped devoting all their resources to destroying israel and invested in themselves people wouldnt think this(to be clear I dont, although I do think Hamas leadership largely does thinks this). The bottom of the idea that hamas wants to destroy israel is hamas, repeatedly saying they want to destroy israel. Why shouldnt I trust what they constantly say? > What is the point of acting like Israel doesn't have the means of wiping Hamas 100 times over? Who is acting like this? Israel shown restraint which hamas has never done. You are right, they could kill every single person in gaza quite easily, they dont want to. The same cant be said for hamas and how they feel about israelis. > Well, you don't get to take someone's land, enforce apartheid, close 2 million people in a cage and claim you want peace either. Why not? Why should Israel, with the power to wipe palestine off the map, settle for anything less? The problem with hamas launching rockets is that they cant back it up when israel correctly sees that as a declaration of war. > You take the rockets, ffs, in fact you deserve much bigger ones. And this mentality is why the israelis have decided a genocide is their best option
    - jehejej 1y ago
      The median age in Gaza is 19 years old, you're a deranged genocidal clown and probably a bot.
    - cholantesh 1y ago
      >The palestinains started pretty much every war. The Palestinians didn't start the 'war of Independence' in which the precursors of the most moral army in human existence prosecuted what widely fit the rubric war crimes on a massive scale. They didn't start the 1967 war, that was Israel. They didn't occupy South Lebanon or the Golan Heights. They didn't assassinate multiple government officials in Lebanon and Iran and the prime minister of Yemen. They weren't the party who broke dozens of internationally brokered ceazefires by raiding cities in Palestinian territories. This is such an egregious misunderstanding it's hard to blame it on simple ignorance.
- thunky 1y ago
  Where do you get your news? They've really done a number on you.
idiomat9000 1y ago
The nazis just wanted Lebensraum , why can you not accept those goals.
idiomat9000 1y ago
They did, every chance they got? Ntifadas, suicide bombings , 7 October , on and on. Only exception was when the west bank was part of the Palestinian state and ghaza part of Egypt for 30 years. They where "peaceful" under islamic rule, though still warring against Israel. Peace = Colonializing the world for the faith. Its very medieval and very real .

HDThoreaun 1y ago

What is the point of acting like Hamas has not constantly, from its inception, called for the utter destruction of israel? You are not tricking anyone here, they werent trying to hide it or anything. I agree the palestinians have been horribly oppressed by the Israelis, but sometimes people deserve to be oppressed. Sucks for all the kids born in gaza but its not israels fault their society has called for genocide of jews for like 80 years now. I feel way worse for Palestinians in the west bank than those in gaza. The west bankers truly got fucked by israel, the gazans largely deserve what they got. You dont get to constantly launch rockets at their biggest city and then claim you want peace.

throw310822 1y ago
> What is the point of acting like Hamas has not constantly, from its inception, called for the utter destruction of israel? What is the point of acting like Israel doesn't have the means of wiping Hamas 100 times over? You know, even if you don't like the goals of Hamas (which is not monolithic, it has even accepted Palestine in the 1967 borders, offered 10-year truces, etc)- if you give people what is fair, and cooperate, and let them have a life with hopes and future- you will get peace in return- with or without Hamas. And the bottom off this idea of "Hamas wants to destroy Israel" there is always the idea that Palestinians are rabid animals, more interested in destroying the others than in their own happiness. This is stupid and racist. > You dont get to constantly launch rockets at their biggest city and then claim you want peace. Well, you don't get to take someone's land, enforce apartheid, close 2 million people in a cage and claim you want peace either. You take the rockets, ffs, in fact you deserve much bigger ones.
- HDThoreaun 1y ago
  > Well, you don't get to take someone's land, enforce apartheid, close 2 million people in a cage and claim you want peace either. The palestinains started pretty much every war. Israel won them. If the palestinians didnt want to be stuck in gaza they shouldnt have started and lost all those wars. Now they have to live with the consequences. To be clear I dont think gazans are wrong for being pissed about their situation. I do think theyre wrong for doing absolutely nothing to improve it though. I think theyre wrong for starting wars they cant win and then complaining when they dont win them. > the idea that Palestinians are rabid animals, more interested in destroying the others than in their own happiness. Maybe if they stopped devoting all their resources to destroying israel and invested in themselves people wouldnt think this(to be clear I dont, although I do think Hamas leadership largely does thinks this). The bottom of the idea that hamas wants to destroy israel is hamas, repeatedly saying they want to destroy israel. Why shouldnt I trust what they constantly say? > What is the point of acting like Israel doesn't have the means of wiping Hamas 100 times over? Who is acting like this? Israel shown restraint which hamas has never done. You are right, they could kill every single person in gaza quite easily, they dont want to. The same cant be said for hamas and how they feel about israelis. > Well, you don't get to take someone's land, enforce apartheid, close 2 million people in a cage and claim you want peace either. Why not? Why should Israel, with the power to wipe palestine off the map, settle for anything less? The problem with hamas launching rockets is that they cant back it up when israel correctly sees that as a declaration of war. > You take the rockets, ffs, in fact you deserve much bigger ones. And this mentality is why the israelis have decided a genocide is their best option
  - jehejej 1y ago
    The median age in Gaza is 19 years old, you're a deranged genocidal clown and probably a bot.
  - cholantesh 1y ago
    >The palestinains started pretty much every war. The Palestinians didn't start the 'war of Independence' in which the precursors of the most moral army in human existence prosecuted what widely fit the rubric war crimes on a massive scale. They didn't start the 1967 war, that was Israel. They didn't occupy South Lebanon or the Golan Heights. They didn't assassinate multiple government officials in Lebanon and Iran and the prime minister of Yemen. They weren't the party who broke dozens of internationally brokered ceazefires by raiding cities in Palestinian territories. This is such an egregious misunderstanding it's hard to blame it on simple ignorance.
thunky 1y ago
Where do you get your news? They've really done a number on you.

idiomat9000 1y ago

The nazis just wanted Lebensraum , why can you not accept those goals.

idiomat9000 1y ago

They did, every chance they got? Ntifadas, suicide bombings , 7 October , on and on. Only exception was when the west bank was part of the Palestinian state and ghaza part of Egypt for 30 years. They where "peaceful" under islamic rule, though still warring against Israel. Peace = Colonializing the world for the faith. Its very medieval and very real .