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Yeah Amazon is massively struggling to hire due to the extremely bad reputation of Andy Jasshole and the RTO 5 policy, and this is not exclusive to AI talents,

Yeah Amazon is massively struggling to hire due to the extremely bad reputation of Andy Jasshole and the RTO 5 policy, and this is not exclusive to AI talents, but is the case for every single role. We have had reqs open for a year in my team and nobody wants to join. Truthfully, I don't think anyone would recommend their acquaintances to join Amazon right now. That said, Amazon is actually winning the AI war. They're selling shovels (Bedrock) in the gold rush.

philipallstar 1y ago
> the RTO 5 policy I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure this[0] is what RTO 5 is. [0] https://www.phoenixcontact.com/en-pc/products/bolt-connection-terminal-block-rto-5-3049521 https://www.phoenixcontact.com/en-pc/products/bolt-connectio...
- spanishgum 1y ago
  RTO 5 is "return to office, 5 days a week"
  - mensetmanusman 1y ago
    RTO 996 where it at
- almostgotcaught 1y ago
  [flagged]
__turbobrew__ 1y ago
I have had multiple recruiter reachouts from AWS who obviously read my resume and are interested in short cutting me into a senior role at AWS doing interesting things, but at this point AWS reputation is so bad I don’t even entertain such offers. For senior in-demand talent you are not desperate, and really only desperate people go to work for AWS as they don’t have any better options at a company which respects their employees.
cyberax 1y ago
Bedrock? It's like a vibe-coded "router" app. It really doesn't provide anything that is not provided by countless other companies. AWS is falling behind even in their most traditional area: renting compute capacity. For example, I can't easily run models that need GPUs without launching classic EC2 instances. Fargate or Lambda _still_ don't support GPUs. Sagemaker Serverless exists but has some weird limits (like 10GB limit on Docker images).
- iLoveOncall 1y ago
  Bedrock is not at all a router. They do provide a routing capability now, but at its core it's a wrapper around models so you can interact with any model with the same unique API. > For example, I can't easily run models that need GPUs without launching classic EC2 instances. Yeah okay, but you can run most entreprise-level models via Bedrock.
  - Aeolun 1y ago
    Only if you want them to go to random inference regions. God forbid you would want inference in a single region. Then you need to be satisfied with 12 month old models that have been superseded 2 times already.
- internetter 1y ago
  AWS doesn't need to do anything innovative and the enterprises still come. Every product AWS sells has a similar offering from a competitor. But businesses stick with amazon because its all in one. They get bills from one company, trust their security with one company, ect. The only thing that matters to AWS is its reputation.
  - cyberax 1y ago
    This works up to a point. I'm extremely familiar with AWS, but we simply _can't_ use it to train our models because it costs 2-3 times more than their competitors. All while requiring us to basically bring up all the infrastructure around maintaining the training cluster ourselves.
alkonaut 1y ago
It's not like it had a good reputation earlier either (as a company, perhaps less problematic as an employer). But if I was offered multiple FAANG positions because I had some really attractive skill set, then I'd want a _lot_ more to work at Meta or Amazon than Netflix or Google, just based on my view of the corporate evilness. It's probably completely unfounded, but the fact I have that feeling just shows they haven't taken care of their brand.
- Aeolun 1y ago
  I think I’d work at Amazon purely to save the world from the abomination that is cloudformation.
mikert89 1y ago
Bedrock is terrible and usage is not high, they cant even serve the anthropic models at scale.
coliveira 1y ago
Amazon having trouble to hire I think it is a well deserved result. I hope they never hire great talent again. Lately I heard they're looking for contract hires, which seems to fit their cheapness and lack of ability to attract talent.
- untrust 1y ago
  At some point, the turnover has to lead to "the blind leading the blind" with nobody having a clearer big picture view on the software they own. This can't be a productive way to run a company, but they seem to persist nonetheless. It may take many years, but I imagine their software will rot from within due to their hiring practices.
  - coliveira 1y ago
    Exactly, Amazon practices the equivalent of a decimation of their workforce. This may even work in the initial years, but over time they'll quickly lose their best minds and the software will be unmaintainable.
chihuahua 1y ago
It's almost funny how they just don't give a shit about being an attractive employer. They never have. Going back to 2002, it's always been "if you don't like it, there's the door." It seems that they just don't care about the high turnover.

philipallstar 1y ago

> the RTO 5 policy I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure this[0] is what RTO 5 is. [0] https://www.phoenixcontact.com/en-pc/products/bolt-connection-terminal-block-rto-5-3049521 https://www.phoenixcontact.com/en-pc/products/bolt-connectio...

spanishgum 1y ago
RTO 5 is "return to office, 5 days a week"
- mensetmanusman 1y ago
  RTO 996 where it at
almostgotcaught 1y ago
[flagged]

__turbobrew__ 1y ago

I have had multiple recruiter reachouts from AWS who obviously read my resume and are interested in short cutting me into a senior role at AWS doing interesting things, but at this point AWS reputation is so bad I don’t even entertain such offers. For senior in-demand talent you are not desperate, and really only desperate people go to work for AWS as they don’t have any better options at a company which respects their employees.

cyberax 1y ago

Bedrock? It's like a vibe-coded "router" app. It really doesn't provide anything that is not provided by countless other companies. AWS is falling behind even in their most traditional area: renting compute capacity. For example, I can't easily run models that need GPUs without launching classic EC2 instances. Fargate or Lambda _still_ don't support GPUs. Sagemaker Serverless exists but has some weird limits (like 10GB limit on Docker images).

iLoveOncall 1y ago
Bedrock is not at all a router. They do provide a routing capability now, but at its core it's a wrapper around models so you can interact with any model with the same unique API. > For example, I can't easily run models that need GPUs without launching classic EC2 instances. Yeah okay, but you can run most entreprise-level models via Bedrock.
- Aeolun 1y ago
  Only if you want them to go to random inference regions. God forbid you would want inference in a single region. Then you need to be satisfied with 12 month old models that have been superseded 2 times already.
internetter 1y ago
AWS doesn't need to do anything innovative and the enterprises still come. Every product AWS sells has a similar offering from a competitor. But businesses stick with amazon because its all in one. They get bills from one company, trust their security with one company, ect. The only thing that matters to AWS is its reputation.
- cyberax 1y ago
  This works up to a point. I'm extremely familiar with AWS, but we simply _can't_ use it to train our models because it costs 2-3 times more than their competitors. All while requiring us to basically bring up all the infrastructure around maintaining the training cluster ourselves.

alkonaut 1y ago

It's not like it had a good reputation earlier either (as a company, perhaps less problematic as an employer). But if I was offered multiple FAANG positions because I had some really attractive skill set, then I'd want a _lot_ more to work at Meta or Amazon than Netflix or Google, just based on my view of the corporate evilness. It's probably completely unfounded, but the fact I have that feeling just shows they haven't taken care of their brand.

Aeolun 1y ago
I think I’d work at Amazon purely to save the world from the abomination that is cloudformation.

mikert89 1y ago

Bedrock is terrible and usage is not high, they cant even serve the anthropic models at scale.

coliveira 1y ago

Amazon having trouble to hire I think it is a well deserved result. I hope they never hire great talent again. Lately I heard they're looking for contract hires, which seems to fit their cheapness and lack of ability to attract talent.

untrust 1y ago
At some point, the turnover has to lead to "the blind leading the blind" with nobody having a clearer big picture view on the software they own. This can't be a productive way to run a company, but they seem to persist nonetheless. It may take many years, but I imagine their software will rot from within due to their hiring practices.
- coliveira 1y ago
  Exactly, Amazon practices the equivalent of a decimation of their workforce. This may even work in the initial years, but over time they'll quickly lose their best minds and the software will be unmaintainable.

chihuahua 1y ago

It's almost funny how they just don't give a shit about being an attractive employer. They never have. Going back to 2002, it's always been "if you don't like it, there's the door." It seems that they just don't care about the high turnover.