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>Top Browser & user agents > Firerox 3.8% This is sad. https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage

by slig 1y ago

marcosdumay 1y ago
How much of this is because Cloudfare automatically classifying any Firefox as a bot and removing them from the statistics?
- gabeio 1y ago
  ? I use firefox all of the time and I don’t believe I have been marked as a “bot”? I rarely hit website captchas/browser checks. Do you have anything to read that says otherwise?
  - NicuCalcea 1y ago
    I use Firefox and have a VPN turned on most of the time, so I'm not sure which one's causing it, but I do occasionally get a Cloudflare page saying they've determined I'm a bot. Not captcha or anything, I'm just blocked from seeing the content.
    - marcosdumay 1y ago
      Without a VPN, you get Google captchas. Some times Google just decides you can not pass no matter what you do, but you still get the captchas.
      - account42 1y ago
        I have no issues with Google captchas but CF just gives my Firefox install an endless spinner with no option except to contact them and provide them all the details that they couldn't collect automatically to "debug" the issue.
- reassess_blind 1y ago
  None?
input_sh 1y ago
The way I see it, it's the only one in the top 5 that doesn't get set as the default out of the box on millions of devices. You have to be annoyed enough by the default option to even look for an alternative, and about 90% of the people don't reach that threshold.
chatmasta 1y ago
It’s also an underestimate because Firefox doesn’t always report itself via user agent (maybe not even by default, IIRC).
rplnt 1y ago
How can people willingly use a browser from an ad company is beyond me. Of course that's a minority of the whole Chrome userbase, but a lot of people reading this comment use it fully knowing what Google is, and what its endgame with Chrome was from the day one.
- account42 1y ago
  Which browser isn't made by an ad company? Mozilla is an ad company now. Apple is an ad company.
  - pluc 1y ago
    Nobody is paying for a browser. They're ad companies or they're ad companies to be.
Nextgrid 1y ago
In its early days, Firefox achieved significant marketshare because it was better and offered useful features that the incumbent browsers didn't. Nowadays Firefox is just a poor Chrome knockoff with no distinguishing features. As a casual user who switches but is unaware of add-ons/etc, Firefox gives you nothing, so why would you switch? Firefox can reinvent itself and regain marketshare by shipping actually useful features like built-in ad & distraction blocking, but chooses not to.
- DoctorOW 1y ago
  I want to make a standalone blog post or something about this but there are definitely features Firefox has and Chrome doesn't. As a great example, I use containers for my tabs constantly. I have the Facebook extension which silos off Meta properties from the rest of my browsing data severely limiting their insight with no changes to my browsing experience.
- tmendez 1y ago
  Firefox mobile allows you to have extensions, while Chrome mobile does not.
tonyhart7 1y ago
I like firefox not gonna lie or bias, its my first browser but around 2010-ish, chrome got way better and superior in every way. even I cant ignore that and switch to chrome until they recently nerf adblock and I use dual browser, good thing firefox is still there. but I cant say the same for 20 years in the future

>Top Browser & user agents > Firerox 3.8% This is sad. https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage

by slig 1y ago

>Top Browser & user agents > Firerox 3.8% This is sad. https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage

marcosdumay 1y ago

How much of this is because Cloudfare automatically classifying any Firefox as a bot and removing them from the statistics?

gabeio 1y ago
? I use firefox all of the time and I don’t believe I have been marked as a “bot”? I rarely hit website captchas/browser checks. Do you have anything to read that says otherwise?
- NicuCalcea 1y ago
  I use Firefox and have a VPN turned on most of the time, so I'm not sure which one's causing it, but I do occasionally get a Cloudflare page saying they've determined I'm a bot. Not captcha or anything, I'm just blocked from seeing the content.
  - marcosdumay 1y ago
    Without a VPN, you get Google captchas. Some times Google just decides you can not pass no matter what you do, but you still get the captchas.
    - account42 1y ago
      I have no issues with Google captchas but CF just gives my Firefox install an endless spinner with no option except to contact them and provide them all the details that they couldn't collect automatically to "debug" the issue.
reassess_blind 1y ago
None?

input_sh 1y ago

The way I see it, it's the only one in the top 5 that doesn't get set as the default out of the box on millions of devices. You have to be annoyed enough by the default option to even look for an alternative, and about 90% of the people don't reach that threshold.

chatmasta 1y ago

It’s also an underestimate because Firefox doesn’t always report itself via user agent (maybe not even by default, IIRC).

rplnt 1y ago

How can people willingly use a browser from an ad company is beyond me. Of course that's a minority of the whole Chrome userbase, but a lot of people reading this comment use it fully knowing what Google is, and what its endgame with Chrome was from the day one.

account42 1y ago
Which browser isn't made by an ad company? Mozilla is an ad company now. Apple is an ad company.
- pluc 1y ago
  Nobody is paying for a browser. They're ad companies or they're ad companies to be.

Nextgrid 1y ago

In its early days, Firefox achieved significant marketshare because it was better and offered useful features that the incumbent browsers didn't. Nowadays Firefox is just a poor Chrome knockoff with no distinguishing features. As a casual user who switches but is unaware of add-ons/etc, Firefox gives you nothing, so why would you switch? Firefox can reinvent itself and regain marketshare by shipping actually useful features like built-in ad & distraction blocking, but chooses not to.

DoctorOW 1y ago
I want to make a standalone blog post or something about this but there are definitely features Firefox has and Chrome doesn't. As a great example, I use containers for my tabs constantly. I have the Facebook extension which silos off Meta properties from the rest of my browsing data severely limiting their insight with no changes to my browsing experience.
tmendez 1y ago
Firefox mobile allows you to have extensions, while Chrome mobile does not.

tonyhart7 1y ago

I like firefox not gonna lie or bias, its my first browser but around 2010-ish, chrome got way better and superior in every way. even I cant ignore that and switch to chrome until they recently nerf adblock and I use dual browser, good thing firefox is still there. but I cant say the same for 20 years in the future