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Meanwhile others sanction (or tariff) countries they're at peace with for no discernible benefit to anyone.

by MangoToupe 1y ago

dlahoda 1y ago
so you say only nothing or harm to all?
OKRainbowKid 1y ago
War and peace live on a spectrum
victorbjorklund 1y ago
Tariffs are a tax on your own population (no matter what Trump says). Which countries sanction friendly ally nations?
- hdgvhicv 1y ago
  It amazes me how the right wing in America is so pro Russia
  - stevenwoo 1y ago
    The reveal of much of the right wing influencer network being funded by Russian state actors makes this more understandable. https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential-election-influencers-trump-999435273dd39edf7468c6aa34fad5dd?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential... It goes from bottom to top with Tulsi Gabbard parroting Russian talking points on Russian state TV then from the White House and now those right wing influencers repeating Russian talking points at White House press conferences. It's probably the most successful adversarial state sponsored social engineering effort ever.
  - MangoToupe 1y ago
    I actually had Iran in mind. Russia at least ostensibly behaved in a way that's worth sanctioning by destabilizing the world. Iran just held some hostages 50 years ago, as best I can tell, and it's hard to be angry at that. Israel has harmed many times more Americans than Iran has, but Israel also seems to be the reason we continue to sanction Iran. It makes no sense on the face of it.
    - victorbjorklund 1y ago
      Guess you missed how Iran is actively working on destabilizing the region with proxy forces in other countries.
      - MangoToupe 1y ago
        I mean, so are we. So are the Saudies. So is Israel. So is Turkey. So is the UAE. I'm sure I missed some interests. I think we have the greatest responsibility to unwind our own efforts.
- XorNot 1y ago
  I mean friendly nations can coexist with tarriffs structures perfectly amicably. What's not normal is trying to use tarrifs the way the US is, and the frequency of their adjustment, as well as stated motivation (punitive rather then achieving any sort of strategic goal).
  - herbst 1y ago
    Switzerland has plenty of tariffs around farmed goods to keep our farmer market healthy. But it does indeed make products more expensive (and higher quality) and everybody here knows and most accept that.
    - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
      Funny you're mentioning Switzerland where whole families travel to France for cheaper products just to meet the quota per person when you come back from your weekend shopping. Can't really comment on "more expensive = higher quality" since I'm biased towards France where I believe they're better at cultivating tomatoes than the Swiss.
      - lan321 1y ago
        It's more of an excuse for a drive for me tbh. When I compare prices between DE and CH now, the difference isn't that big anymore.
        gregorygoc 1y ago
        DE is still cheaper for some products but not by much. I have no idea how do they manage there since salaries are like 2x less.
      - myrmidon 1y ago
        To be fair, the costs are just less hidden in the swiss model. If you do internal subsidies (the EU/US approach) instead of tariffs on imports, then a fraction of your taxes gets diverted to farmers instead. Sadly this whole issue is difficult to side-step completely because if you do neither subsidies nor tariffs, your local food industry just dies and that is a really undesirable outcome if you want to avoid famines.

Meanwhile others sanction (or tariff) countries they're at peace with for no discernible benefit to anyone.

dlahoda 1y ago

so you say only nothing or harm to all?

OKRainbowKid 1y ago

War and peace live on a spectrum

victorbjorklund 1y ago

Tariffs are a tax on your own population (no matter what Trump says). Which countries sanction friendly ally nations?

hdgvhicv 1y ago
It amazes me how the right wing in America is so pro Russia
- stevenwoo 1y ago
  The reveal of much of the right wing influencer network being funded by Russian state actors makes this more understandable. https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential-election-influencers-trump-999435273dd39edf7468c6aa34fad5dd?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential... It goes from bottom to top with Tulsi Gabbard parroting Russian talking points on Russian state TV then from the White House and now those right wing influencers repeating Russian talking points at White House press conferences. It's probably the most successful adversarial state sponsored social engineering effort ever.
- MangoToupe 1y ago
  I actually had Iran in mind. Russia at least ostensibly behaved in a way that's worth sanctioning by destabilizing the world. Iran just held some hostages 50 years ago, as best I can tell, and it's hard to be angry at that. Israel has harmed many times more Americans than Iran has, but Israel also seems to be the reason we continue to sanction Iran. It makes no sense on the face of it.
  - victorbjorklund 1y ago
    Guess you missed how Iran is actively working on destabilizing the region with proxy forces in other countries.
    - MangoToupe 1y ago
      I mean, so are we. So are the Saudies. So is Israel. So is Turkey. So is the UAE. I'm sure I missed some interests. I think we have the greatest responsibility to unwind our own efforts.
XorNot 1y ago
I mean friendly nations can coexist with tarriffs structures perfectly amicably. What's not normal is trying to use tarrifs the way the US is, and the frequency of their adjustment, as well as stated motivation (punitive rather then achieving any sort of strategic goal).
- herbst 1y ago
  Switzerland has plenty of tariffs around farmed goods to keep our farmer market healthy. But it does indeed make products more expensive (and higher quality) and everybody here knows and most accept that.
  - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
    Funny you're mentioning Switzerland where whole families travel to France for cheaper products just to meet the quota per person when you come back from your weekend shopping. Can't really comment on "more expensive = higher quality" since I'm biased towards France where I believe they're better at cultivating tomatoes than the Swiss.
    - lan321 1y ago
      It's more of an excuse for a drive for me tbh. When I compare prices between DE and CH now, the difference isn't that big anymore.
      - gregorygoc 1y ago
        DE is still cheaper for some products but not by much. I have no idea how do they manage there since salaries are like 2x less.
    - myrmidon 1y ago
      To be fair, the costs are just less hidden in the swiss model. If you do internal subsidies (the EU/US approach) instead of tariffs on imports, then a fraction of your taxes gets diverted to farmers instead. Sadly this whole issue is difficult to side-step completely because if you do neither subsidies nor tariffs, your local food industry just dies and that is a really undesirable outcome if you want to avoid famines.