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Look, I'm tired of arguing about this, but since you're basically just appealing to authority (a wikipedia article), you should know that the one line you're qu
by timr 1y ago
Look, I'm tired of arguing about this, but since you're basically just appealing to authority (a wikipedia article), you should know that the one line you're quoting is actually not supported by the document that it cites [1,2]
Here's the exact definition:
> The definition of “appointee” in the Executive Order covers “every full-time, non-career Presidential or Vice-Presidential appointee, non-career appointee in the Senior Executive Service (or other SES-type system), and appointee to a position that has been excepted from the competitive service by reason of being of a confidential or policymaking character (Schedule C and other positions excepted under comparable criteria) in an executive agency.” Executive Order,
sec. 2(b). However, “[i]t does not include any person appointed as a member of the Senior Foreign Service or solely as a uniformed service commissioned officer.”
So basically, there's a lot of nuance there, and your wikipedia quote is wrong. Perhaps you should change it to be more accurate (EDIT: nevermind. Did it for you!)
[1] https://www.oge.gov/Web/oge.nsf/Legal%20Docs/4EAB053F755BE5968525866500599F75/$FILE/LA-21-03.pdf?open https://www.oge.gov/Web/oge.nsf/Legal%20Docs/4EAB053F755BE59...
[2] Which, I should note, is a definition made by an executive order. LOL.
EDIT: OK, I have now followed this all the way to Wikipedia's stated source for political appointments ("The Plum Book", 2020 edition [3]), and I do not see this position anywhere in the book. Starts at page 79.
I'm sure you'll find a way to argue about it, but it seems that you are truly, definitively wrong...but who knows, since it changes every four years anyway.
[3] https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-PLUMBOOK-2020/pdf/GPO-PLUMBOOK-2020.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-PLUMBOOK-2020/pdf/GP...
- ceejayoz 1y agoYour quote, summarized, says essentially “there are even more political appointees than that”. It agrees with me entirely on these roles.
- timr 1y agoI literally went to the source, and the job isn't in there.
- ceejayoz 1y agoYou went to the 2020 list and didn’t find the guy appointed in 2025? I’m shocked.
- timr 1y agoOK. It's the only published list, linked directly from the source you keep citing, and obviously definitive for the last guy who had the job, but whatever you say. EDIT: and finally, finally, here's the public job listing for the CBER [1]. It's a competitive hiring position, as part of the 21st Century Cures Act (2016) [2]. It's not a political appointment. Full stop, end of discussion. [1] https://www.fda.gov/media/182615/download https://www.fda.gov/media/182615/download [2] https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/selected-amendments-fdc-act/21st-century-cures-act https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/selected-amendmen...