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GrapheneOS still works fine (support for Pixel 10 will most likely come). What the future holds is unknown however.

by lawn 1y ago

OutOfHere 1y ago
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- lawn 1y ago
  What's with this annoying and false narrative that it's all over for GrapheneOS? Everything suggests that they will be able to support the new Pixel models. > We've received the Pixel 10 we ordered and have confirmed it supports unlocking, flashing another verified boot key and locking again. https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115102473921005918 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115102473921005918
- Klonoar 1y ago
  GrapheneOS project people were literally in comments here in the past month or so indicating they’re in talks with another device maker to have an alternative to the Pixel.
ekianjo 1y ago
Only on specific models
- subscribed 1y ago
  Currently from 6 to 9a inclusive. 4 and 5 are no longer supported (not covered under normal release channels) but you can still download images under legacy extended support.
  - ekianjo 1y ago
    What I mean is, only Pixel phones. That's like a very small part of the whole range of Android devices.
randunel 1y ago
My banking app, my city hall's app and my kids' school app for parents wouldn't work on non-google OS for "security" reasons. Many more national services require an original OS to function, even if I don't personally use them yet https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui/issues/38 https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android...
- uallo 1y ago
  Complain to them, give them a bad rating in the Play Store. This is likely caused by using the obsolete SafetyNet Attestation API as outlined here: https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...
- codedokode 1y ago
  I never install banking apps (not secure - no second factor, spyware risks) so I don't think it is important to have them. What is important is a phone that no other party can remotely control.
  - conradfr 1y ago
    Because your bank doesn't force you to verify yourself on the mobile app to log in on desktop ... yet.
  - speckx 1y ago
    Curious. Do you use the bank's website via a browser from a computer? What about in-person banking? Do you go to the bank?
    - codedokode 1y ago
      Website from desktop + SMS code is used as a second factor for login and for confirmation of operations. So the attacker would need to hack a desktop to read information and both devices to actually steal money. Or they would need a phone and a card number to login without password. I am surprised why so many people use banking apps on phones. The apps often use SMS or even push notification (because it's cheaper) for confirmation and once you got access to the phone you can do whatever you want. Also banking apps tend to spam users with distracting notifications, and they often require extended rights, for example to scan other apps, to access contact list etc. For example, one of Russian banking apps includes an antivirus. > What about in-person banking? Rarely. Last time I went in-person, I found that the bank switched to a model (don't remember how it's called) where the office looks like a cafe with tables and employees come between them with laptops and there was really long waiting time so I got an impression that they don't want people to come in-person. Although I had some fun overhearing an angry customer complaining that his card was blocked for receiving transfers and immediately withdrawing large sums of money. He wasn't able to explain the source of the money or provide any documents but got a promise that his card would be unblocked. Luckily there are still banks with traditional offices.
fluidcruft 1y ago
If Apple made iOS more customizable (i.e. replacing launchers etc) I wouldn't see a reason to keep with Android. I certainly don't see any reason to replace my Pixel with another Pixel at this point (been fiercely loyal to the Nexus/Pixel line since Nexus S). Hostility is hostility, and when limited to choosing among devices that are a pain in my ass, Pixel no longer has any advantage. Google is converting Pixel into leverage for the rest of their products. Bye.
- lawn 1y ago
  Why would you move to Apple when you're upset that Google is copying what Apple has done for many years? And even after that, the Apple ecosystem is even more closed down than Android.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Because the android ecosystem and android devices like the Pixel have a lot of disadvantages - we just look past them because of the customizability and openness-ish of android. Of android just becomes iOS but worse, then just use iOS. Currently android is iOS but different. But for many years now it seems Google has been shooting for iOS but worse.
  - fluidcruft 1y ago
    Because using Android is always extra friction in my life. I have tolerated it because of the ideals of Pixel and Android (which Google has slowly and deliberately evaporated). Also Apple does a better job at standing up to government bullshit (where Google tends to stay suspiciously silent). So when they are on equal ideological footing, Apple as a consumer product company wins against the Google surveillance apparatus. Basically: Apple is a better Apple if Google wants to turn itself into even more of a pathetic Apple wannabe.

GrapheneOS still works fine (support for Pixel 10 will most likely come). What the future holds is unknown however.

by lawn 1y ago

GrapheneOS still works fine (support for Pixel 10 will most likely come). What the future holds is unknown however.

OutOfHere 1y ago

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deleted 1y ago
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lawn 1y ago
What's with this annoying and false narrative that it's all over for GrapheneOS? Everything suggests that they will be able to support the new Pixel models. > We've received the Pixel 10 we ordered and have confirmed it supports unlocking, flashing another verified boot key and locking again. https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115102473921005918 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115102473921005918
Klonoar 1y ago
GrapheneOS project people were literally in comments here in the past month or so indicating they’re in talks with another device maker to have an alternative to the Pixel.

ekianjo 1y ago

Only on specific models

subscribed 1y ago
Currently from 6 to 9a inclusive. 4 and 5 are no longer supported (not covered under normal release channels) but you can still download images under legacy extended support.
- ekianjo 1y ago
  What I mean is, only Pixel phones. That's like a very small part of the whole range of Android devices.

randunel 1y ago

My banking app, my city hall's app and my kids' school app for parents wouldn't work on non-google OS for "security" reasons. Many more national services require an original OS to function, even if I don't personally use them yet https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui/issues/38 https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android...

uallo 1y ago
Complain to them, give them a bad rating in the Play Store. This is likely caused by using the obsolete SafetyNet Attestation API as outlined here: https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...
codedokode 1y ago
I never install banking apps (not secure - no second factor, spyware risks) so I don't think it is important to have them. What is important is a phone that no other party can remotely control.
- conradfr 1y ago
  Because your bank doesn't force you to verify yourself on the mobile app to log in on desktop ... yet.
- speckx 1y ago
  Curious. Do you use the bank's website via a browser from a computer? What about in-person banking? Do you go to the bank?
  - codedokode 1y ago
    Website from desktop + SMS code is used as a second factor for login and for confirmation of operations. So the attacker would need to hack a desktop to read information and both devices to actually steal money. Or they would need a phone and a card number to login without password. I am surprised why so many people use banking apps on phones. The apps often use SMS or even push notification (because it's cheaper) for confirmation and once you got access to the phone you can do whatever you want. Also banking apps tend to spam users with distracting notifications, and they often require extended rights, for example to scan other apps, to access contact list etc. For example, one of Russian banking apps includes an antivirus. > What about in-person banking? Rarely. Last time I went in-person, I found that the bank switched to a model (don't remember how it's called) where the office looks like a cafe with tables and employees come between them with laptops and there was really long waiting time so I got an impression that they don't want people to come in-person. Although I had some fun overhearing an angry customer complaining that his card was blocked for receiving transfers and immediately withdrawing large sums of money. He wasn't able to explain the source of the money or provide any documents but got a promise that his card would be unblocked. Luckily there are still banks with traditional offices.

fluidcruft 1y ago

If Apple made iOS more customizable (i.e. replacing launchers etc) I wouldn't see a reason to keep with Android. I certainly don't see any reason to replace my Pixel with another Pixel at this point (been fiercely loyal to the Nexus/Pixel line since Nexus S). Hostility is hostility, and when limited to choosing among devices that are a pain in my ass, Pixel no longer has any advantage. Google is converting Pixel into leverage for the rest of their products. Bye.

lawn 1y ago
Why would you move to Apple when you're upset that Google is copying what Apple has done for many years? And even after that, the Apple ecosystem is even more closed down than Android.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Because the android ecosystem and android devices like the Pixel have a lot of disadvantages - we just look past them because of the customizability and openness-ish of android. Of android just becomes iOS but worse, then just use iOS. Currently android is iOS but different. But for many years now it seems Google has been shooting for iOS but worse.
- fluidcruft 1y ago
  Because using Android is always extra friction in my life. I have tolerated it because of the ideals of Pixel and Android (which Google has slowly and deliberately evaporated). Also Apple does a better job at standing up to government bullshit (where Google tends to stay suspiciously silent). So when they are on equal ideological footing, Apple as a consumer product company wins against the Google surveillance apparatus. Basically: Apple is a better Apple if Google wants to turn itself into even more of a pathetic Apple wannabe.