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> the only vision of the future being offered is one of impending doom and urbanist intellectual memes I agree with this. Far too many European countries have

> the only vision of the future being offered is one of impending doom and urbanist intellectual memes I agree with this. Far too many European countries have no optimistic or even productive outlooks on the future, instead seeming to trade in a form of pessimistic reductionism. Eat less, do less, be less. However: > it's no wonder that immigrants wouldn't want to buy into your culture Then why do they stay as long as they can drain resources? I would never move to a country I don't respect, let alone stay to drain resources and give nothing back. That mentality is alien to me. That isn't to say every immigrant is a drain on resources, but the ones that do not buy into the culture, do not buy into the vision (or lack thereof), and do not contribute -- why are they here? Simply because despite all of that it's better than where they came from? If so, we're doing both ourselves and them a disservice by not denying them entry, because both parties end up miserable.

dkiebd 1y ago
>I would never move to a country I don't respect, let alone stay to drain resources and give nothing back. Hey, good for you. But there are many societies where making a living without working is something to be proud of. I know because I live in one.
- eulenteufel 1y ago
  In my perspective it's not that complicated. I'd like to have a good life and I would like for every other human on the planet to also have a good life sustainably. I think it's a rather optimistic vision.
  - dkiebd 1y ago
    Also an unrealistic one. A lot of hard work is necessary for that. Most people don’t want or can’t do that work.
pembrook 1y ago
> Eat less, do less, be less. This is one of the weirdest religions in modern Europe and I struggle to explain it. It's a performative self-loathing that accrues social capital in certain circles, with no real end goal. I want to ask these people...so once you eliminate the impact of the human species from the earth...then what? Wait for the asteroid to hit or the sun to engulf the earth, to restore it to its pre-life state?

dkiebd 1y ago

>I would never move to a country I don't respect, let alone stay to drain resources and give nothing back. Hey, good for you. But there are many societies where making a living without working is something to be proud of. I know because I live in one.

eulenteufel 1y ago
In my perspective it's not that complicated. I'd like to have a good life and I would like for every other human on the planet to also have a good life sustainably. I think it's a rather optimistic vision.
- dkiebd 1y ago
  Also an unrealistic one. A lot of hard work is necessary for that. Most people don’t want or can’t do that work.

pembrook 1y ago

> Eat less, do less, be less. This is one of the weirdest religions in modern Europe and I struggle to explain it. It's a performative self-loathing that accrues social capital in certain circles, with no real end goal. I want to ask these people...so once you eliminate the impact of the human species from the earth...then what? Wait for the asteroid to hit or the sun to engulf the earth, to restore it to its pre-life state?