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Smart phones and the ubiquity of internet and video games is really it I think. You never have to be bored anymore, and therefore don’t have to meetup in person

Smart phones and the ubiquity of internet and video games is really it I think. You never have to be bored anymore, and therefore don’t have to meetup in person to be entertained.

AstralStorm 1y ago
The timeline does not match. Both were widely available in oughts. So there was something smooth that hit a phase transition. Likely enployment or housing prices, forcing people to engage survival mode. People in this mode do not feel secure enough to have sex or especially start families.
- __turbobrew__ 1y ago
  The first smartphone — iphone — came out in 2007? Adoption definitely started ramping up in 2010. Video games were available pre-2010, but they weren’t nearly as ubiquitous, and honestly the people playing lots of video games pre-2010 weren’t having lots of sex either.
  - tempodox 1y ago
    Video games have been responsible since their inception for everything the bigots don't like. That doesn’t make it true.
  - whatevaa 1y ago
    Video games have been present for a shit ton of time in the form on game consoles. Social media, on the other hand, is a recent phenomena
mathiaspoint 1y ago
Most people say video games were better pre 2010 and we already had smartphones at that point, just not iPhones. So it's not either of those.
- Atheros 1y ago
  Video games weren't as widespread, personalized, or diverse than they are now. That people who played video games in 2010 said that those were better is immaterial. This graph goes up through 2022: https://i.redd.it/tnrs4wl1ibkb1.png https://i.redd.it/tnrs4wl1ibkb1.png Same with smartphones. Smartphone apps existed but weren't as personalized and didn't serve nearly as diverse of content as they do now. It's night and day. Surely I don't need to pull up a graph of smartphone usage per day.
  - schrectacular 1y ago
    Find the graph for "hours spent on social media" and I bet you will have found your culprit.
  - bryanlarsen 1y ago
    The data shows the big drop in sex happened in the 2010's. Your graph shows the big spike in gaming happened 2021 & 2022. That's during the pandemic. Of course gaming rose during the pandemic when people were forced to stay home.
- lukevp 1y ago
  No one means a BlackBerry when they say smartphones. It implies a large screen that can consume content easily, and with a large data plan, neither of which existed until The iPhone. I never saw someone watch 2 hours of YouTube on a blackberry.
- __turbobrew__ 1y ago
  When I say “smarphone” I mean iphone and later.
- szatkus 1y ago
  Please, this is HN. Don't make moot points. Smartphones existed before 2010, but few people had them.

Smart phones and the ubiquity of internet and video games is really it I think. You never have to be bored anymore, and therefore don’t have to meetup in person to be entertained.

AstralStorm 1y ago

The timeline does not match. Both were widely available in oughts. So there was something smooth that hit a phase transition. Likely enployment or housing prices, forcing people to engage survival mode. People in this mode do not feel secure enough to have sex or especially start families.

__turbobrew__ 1y ago
The first smartphone — iphone — came out in 2007? Adoption definitely started ramping up in 2010. Video games were available pre-2010, but they weren’t nearly as ubiquitous, and honestly the people playing lots of video games pre-2010 weren’t having lots of sex either.
- tempodox 1y ago
  Video games have been responsible since their inception for everything the bigots don't like. That doesn’t make it true.
- whatevaa 1y ago
  Video games have been present for a shit ton of time in the form on game consoles. Social media, on the other hand, is a recent phenomena

mathiaspoint 1y ago

Most people say video games were better pre 2010 and we already had smartphones at that point, just not iPhones. So it's not either of those.

Atheros 1y ago
Video games weren't as widespread, personalized, or diverse than they are now. That people who played video games in 2010 said that those were better is immaterial. This graph goes up through 2022: https://i.redd.it/tnrs4wl1ibkb1.png https://i.redd.it/tnrs4wl1ibkb1.png Same with smartphones. Smartphone apps existed but weren't as personalized and didn't serve nearly as diverse of content as they do now. It's night and day. Surely I don't need to pull up a graph of smartphone usage per day.
- schrectacular 1y ago
  Find the graph for "hours spent on social media" and I bet you will have found your culprit.
- bryanlarsen 1y ago
  The data shows the big drop in sex happened in the 2010's. Your graph shows the big spike in gaming happened 2021 & 2022. That's during the pandemic. Of course gaming rose during the pandemic when people were forced to stay home.
lukevp 1y ago
No one means a BlackBerry when they say smartphones. It implies a large screen that can consume content easily, and with a large data plan, neither of which existed until The iPhone. I never saw someone watch 2 hours of YouTube on a blackberry.
__turbobrew__ 1y ago
When I say “smarphone” I mean iphone and later.
szatkus 1y ago
Please, this is HN. Don't make moot points. Smartphones existed before 2010, but few people had them.