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They don't come into your own house and tell you what to do though. The police aren't going to arrest you for swimming in your own pool without a lifeguard. Tha

They don't come into your own house and tell you what to do though. The police aren't going to arrest you for swimming in your own pool without a lifeguard. That's completely absurd.

edent 1y ago
I don't know where you live, but lots of places require you to secure your pool in such a way that people can't accidentally drown in it. For example https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/personal-injury/attractive-nuisance/ https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/personal-injury/attract... Societies often place limits on individual freedoms.
- tempodox 1y ago
  Are you seriously comparing the self-serving decisions of a for-profit company with laws designed to protect people?
  - chii 1y ago
    they are, and they're correct in that comparison. except that the laws for the pool don't require a branded fence or anything, it's just a height and gate-lock requirement. Google is telling you to buy their particular brand of fence (which has inextricably an insane markup). And they disallow it for pool shapes they dont like and you dont have an appeals process for it.
- bigstrat2003 1y ago
  And those laws are completely unjust. It is absurd to place an obligation on someone to protect people who are trespassing on the owner's property. If you are poking around someone else's home, it's on you if you get into something that hurts you.
  - _Algernon_ 1y ago
    Even the self-proclaimed bastion of libertarianism, the US, has laws against booby trapping, so that is obviously not true.
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    > it's on you if you get into something that hurts you. So if you're a 3 year old child that wanders into a neighbor's yard and drowns, it's on you? We know young children wander where they're not supposed to go, despite their parents' best efforts to supervise them. So we do our best to legislate safety regulations when they can be low cost and high reward, like preventing children from falling into pools and drowning. We can't do everything, but when it comes to pool fencing the benefits seem to obviously and greatly outweigh the harms.

They don't come into your own house and tell you what to do though. The police aren't going to arrest you for swimming in your own pool without a lifeguard. That's completely absurd.

edent 1y ago

I don't know where you live, but lots of places require you to secure your pool in such a way that people can't accidentally drown in it. For example https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/personal-injury/attractive-nuisance/ https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/personal-injury/attract... Societies often place limits on individual freedoms.

tempodox 1y ago
Are you seriously comparing the self-serving decisions of a for-profit company with laws designed to protect people?
- chii 1y ago
  they are, and they're correct in that comparison. except that the laws for the pool don't require a branded fence or anything, it's just a height and gate-lock requirement. Google is telling you to buy their particular brand of fence (which has inextricably an insane markup). And they disallow it for pool shapes they dont like and you dont have an appeals process for it.
bigstrat2003 1y ago
And those laws are completely unjust. It is absurd to place an obligation on someone to protect people who are trespassing on the owner's property. If you are poking around someone else's home, it's on you if you get into something that hurts you.
- _Algernon_ 1y ago
  Even the self-proclaimed bastion of libertarianism, the US, has laws against booby trapping, so that is obviously not true.
- crazygringo 1y ago
  > it's on you if you get into something that hurts you. So if you're a 3 year old child that wanders into a neighbor's yard and drowns, it's on you? We know young children wander where they're not supposed to go, despite their parents' best efforts to supervise them. So we do our best to legislate safety regulations when they can be low cost and high reward, like preventing children from falling into pools and drowning. We can't do everything, but when it comes to pool fencing the benefits seem to obviously and greatly outweigh the harms.