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Neovim, emacs?

guluarte 1y ago
neovim will support llms natively (though a language server) https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/33972 https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/33972
- brigandish 1y ago
  You have to enable it and install a language server, that's not the same as an LLM being baked in.
  - simonh 1y ago
    It’s not baked in, in that sense. You still have to enable it in XCode and link it to a Claude account. It’s basically the same.
    - brigandish 1y ago
      At the level of "Having to configure something to use it", they're the same, but then that's the same as the hundreds of other config options then. I think we can be slightly more precise than that. In Neovim the choice of language server and the choice of LLM is up to the user, (possibly even the choice of this API, I believe, having only skimmed the PR) while both of those choices are baked in to XCode, so they're not the same thing.
      - simonh 1y ago
        That's fair enough, but it's the opposite complaint, that XCode's LLM support is more limited because it is proprietary. That's a perfectly valid and reasonable objection, of course.
- what 1y ago
  That’s not really native support for LLMs? It’s supporting some LSP feature for completions.
- justatdotin 1y ago
  LSP != LLM
- vrighter 1y ago
  Neovim already supports LSP servers. The fact that a language server exists for anything, doesn't make neovim (or any other editor) "support" the technology. It doesn't, what it does support is LSP, and it doesn't and couldn't care less what language/slop the LSP is working with.
mr_toad 1y ago
Amusing that Emacs that came out of the MIT AI lab, and heavily uses Lisp, a language that used to be en vogue for AI research.
- PessimalDecimal 1y ago
  Amusing is one word for it. Expert systems were all the rage until they weren't. We'll see how LLMs do by comparison.
  - vrighter 1y ago
    The so-called "guardrails" used for LLM are very close to expert systems, imo. Since the landscape of potentially malicious inputs in plain english is practically infinite, without any particular enforced structure for the queries you make of it, means that those "guardrails" are, in effect, an expert system. An ever growing pile of if-then statements. Didn't work then, won't work now.
  - kristopolous 1y ago
    People are trying to achieve the same thing - rules based systems with decision trees. That's still one of the most lucrative use cases.
- monkeyelite 1y ago
  You are word associating. The ideas in each part of that chain are unrelated.

Neovim, emacs?

neovim will support llms natively (though a language server) https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/33972 https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/33972

brigandish 1y ago
You have to enable it and install a language server, that's not the same as an LLM being baked in.
- simonh 1y ago
  It’s not baked in, in that sense. You still have to enable it in XCode and link it to a Claude account. It’s basically the same.
  - brigandish 1y ago
    At the level of "Having to configure something to use it", they're the same, but then that's the same as the hundreds of other config options then. I think we can be slightly more precise than that. In Neovim the choice of language server and the choice of LLM is up to the user, (possibly even the choice of this API, I believe, having only skimmed the PR) while both of those choices are baked in to XCode, so they're not the same thing.
    - simonh 1y ago
      That's fair enough, but it's the opposite complaint, that XCode's LLM support is more limited because it is proprietary. That's a perfectly valid and reasonable objection, of course.
what 1y ago
That’s not really native support for LLMs? It’s supporting some LSP feature for completions.
justatdotin 1y ago
LSP != LLM
vrighter 1y ago
Neovim already supports LSP servers. The fact that a language server exists for anything, doesn't make neovim (or any other editor) "support" the technology. It doesn't, what it does support is LSP, and it doesn't and couldn't care less what language/slop the LSP is working with.

mr_toad 1y ago

Amusing that Emacs that came out of the MIT AI lab, and heavily uses Lisp, a language that used to be en vogue for AI research.

PessimalDecimal 1y ago
Amusing is one word for it. Expert systems were all the rage until they weren't. We'll see how LLMs do by comparison.
- vrighter 1y ago
  The so-called "guardrails" used for LLM are very close to expert systems, imo. Since the landscape of potentially malicious inputs in plain english is practically infinite, without any particular enforced structure for the queries you make of it, means that those "guardrails" are, in effect, an expert system. An ever growing pile of if-then statements. Didn't work then, won't work now.
- kristopolous 1y ago
  People are trying to achieve the same thing - rules based systems with decision trees. That's still one of the most lucrative use cases.
monkeyelite 1y ago
You are word associating. The ideas in each part of that chain are unrelated.