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Even outside of EVs, cars have gotten to the point where you're barely driving them anymore, anyway, you're more of a "human in the loop". You can't really see
by rconti 1y ago
Even outside of EVs, cars have gotten to the point where you're barely driving them anymore, anyway, you're more of a "human in the loop". You can't really see out of them anymore (other than the windshield, of course), so most people have stopped trying and just rely on the "systems".
* Don't change lanes if the blinky light on your side mirrors tells you not to
* Don't back up unless the image in the backup camera tells you it's safe
* Stop reversing when the beeping from the park distance sensors get too insistent
* AEB, lane departure warning, rear traffic assist radar, etc.
Don't get me wrong, people have used this "old man yells at cloud" point of view to call "real cars" dead for many decades; fuel injection, ABS, automatic transmissions, whatever. But we've definitely gotten to a tipping point where most of the fun is gone.
I'm not saying we should go back to x% more deaths per year by getting rid of XYZ nanny system, I'm just saying car enthusiasm is largely dead in new cars.
- mingus88 1y agoAnd good riddance? Car culture has killed livable cities and I am not going to miss loud and obnoxious cruisers playing games on public roads
- platevoltage 1y agoSeriously. I've had more fun on my bicycle than I ever did during my car phase.
- rconti 1y agoDoesn't have to be just a phase, I love both!
- georgeecollins 1y agoBike rack on my Camaro! But I am fine with car culture passing, it makes sense.
- rconti 1y agoI'm more mixed. I love that I live in a very walkable area, and our next move (but not for ~10 years) is hopefully to live carless in a European city. And yet, I mourn the loss of what we once had, and I'm trying to scoop up fun cars while I still can.
- platevoltage 1y agoYeah, I like cars too, but I also find myself wishing they would remove more than just the 1 lane from Grand Ave in Oakland.
- platevoltage 1y agoI spent most of my working life doing body work, and then I was a mechanic. Kind of ruined the magic for me.
- heresie-dabord 1y agoAgreed. And e-bikes are not just practical now, they are actually a thrill when climbing hills.
- dingaling 1y agoI don't think that the new era of 'EV appliance culture' will have any positive impact on urban planning compared to 'car culture'. There are more vehicles on the roads than ever before, and each of those distracted travellers demands a direct route from home to destination whether they're driving or being driven by a robo-taxi.
- random31181 1y agoI assure you there would be a lot less life in the city if you lived and died in the same village you were born in, like most people through history.
- mingus88 1y agoOk. I’m talking about the concerted effort to kill trains and public transit by the auto/oil industry. LA was beautiful in the 20s. Could have been a world class metropolis instead of a sprawling hellscape of seven lane interstates where it takes 1.5hr to travel 15 miles, choked by pollution. Go watch Roger Rabbit again. Pay attention to the villain instead of the foxy redhead.
- potato3732842 1y agoStuffy middle class on up white people killed cities. Stuffy middle class on up white people killed care culture. Stuffy middle class on up white people killed... just about everything. All those tropes, jokes, memes and other culture crapping on various slices of that broader demographic don't come from nowhere.
- gmueckl 1y agoIf you want a "raw" driving experience, you need to go on a race track in a "proper" race car. I use the quotes because you could come up with very diffferent definitions for them depending on your particular perspective. Amateur car races are a thing, btw. I'm glad that all these assistants exist for road vehicles. I think of myself as a fairly disciplined driver (welly who am I kidding, really?), but these systems have saved my bacon more than once over the years.
- m463 1y ago> you're barely driving them anymore It's worse with tesla - the Plaid has removed most driver controls. If you're a car guy and buy a 1000hp+ vehicle, I think you would want a drive select or turn signal stalk. You can't flash your lights. wipers are not under your control. if you're sticking out into traffic, you don't know if the car will guess correctly that you want to back up... or pull out. nonsense.