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Is a foreign student who finishes the university and then stays in America an American?

dcrazy 1y ago
Let’s look at an analogous situation: a middle-class Brit who buys a home in Spain to retire in. This Briton might speak the language fluently and spend the remaining 15-20 years of their life in Spain, paying taxes and contributing to the local economy. But their ability to pay top-of-market for housing comes at the expense of locals, who wind up petitioning the government to change visa rules to stem the tide of foreigners. It’s not a simple situation when scarcity is involved, and it ultimately doesn’t matter what nationality you consider long-term immigrants to possess.
- like_any_other 1y ago
  That's not analogous - analogous would be if the Brit bought a home in China or India, or perhaps Algeria.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  You mean like a Londoner retiring in the countryside? I really don't see the difference. Local is such a crazy concept, I mean, I totally get what you're getting at but you are using the wrong tools to arrive at the wrong conclusion. A middle-class Brit who buys a home in Spain to retire in just got sold a property that was worth peanuts on the market not that long ago for a very large amount of money in the Spanish economy. Whoever sold it to them would have never sold it for the same amount of money to another person from the same location because we've embraced 'the market'. What you fail to touch on is that this Briton is importing not only their wealth, but also a lot of extra expenditure all of which benefits the local economy. The real burden is when they start leaning on the health care system, which wasn't made to cater to a bunch of aging foreigners and that will quickly turn the so-far net positive into a net negative, financially and service wise for everybody else. Emigrating later in life to another - poorer - country is a burden on that poorer country that the immigrants did not pay into earlier in life. If you emigrate: do it when you're young enough to contribute to the system that you will rely on to support you when you're older. Otherwise you are just preying on the denizens of weaker economies (ok, they got the better deal with the weather). The housing market could be fixed, the economic disparity and subsequent service shortages can not, that money got left behind in the UK.

Let’s look at an analogous situation: a middle-class Brit who buys a home in Spain to retire in. This Briton might speak the language fluently and spend the remaining 15-20 years of their life in Spain, paying taxes and contributing to the local economy. But their ability to pay top-of-market for housing comes at the expense of locals, who wind up petitioning the government to change visa rules to stem the tide of foreigners. It’s not a simple situation when scarcity is involved, and it ultimately doesn’t matter what nationality you consider long-term immigrants to possess.

like_any_other 1y ago
That's not analogous - analogous would be if the Brit bought a home in China or India, or perhaps Algeria.
jacquesm 1y ago
You mean like a Londoner retiring in the countryside? I really don't see the difference. Local is such a crazy concept, I mean, I totally get what you're getting at but you are using the wrong tools to arrive at the wrong conclusion. A middle-class Brit who buys a home in Spain to retire in just got sold a property that was worth peanuts on the market not that long ago for a very large amount of money in the Spanish economy. Whoever sold it to them would have never sold it for the same amount of money to another person from the same location because we've embraced 'the market'. What you fail to touch on is that this Briton is importing not only their wealth, but also a lot of extra expenditure all of which benefits the local economy. The real burden is when they start leaning on the health care system, which wasn't made to cater to a bunch of aging foreigners and that will quickly turn the so-far net positive into a net negative, financially and service wise for everybody else. Emigrating later in life to another - poorer - country is a burden on that poorer country that the immigrants did not pay into earlier in life. If you emigrate: do it when you're young enough to contribute to the system that you will rely on to support you when you're older. Otherwise you are just preying on the denizens of weaker economies (ok, they got the better deal with the weather). The housing market could be fixed, the economic disparity and subsequent service shortages can not, that money got left behind in the UK.