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It's too late. As a developer, I'm pulling all my Android apps away from the Play Store. If Google is hostile to me an my users, I prefer to dedicate my volunt

It's too late. As a developer, I'm pulling all my Android apps away from the Play Store. If Google is hostile to me an my users, I prefer to dedicate my volunteer time to respectful plateforms instead.

olejorgenb 1y ago
Which platform though?
- arnaudsm 1y ago
  Web and GNU/Linux
gooob 1y ago
just making sure you understand the proposal correctly. you'd still be able to distribute the app through whatever means you want; the app just has to be signed with a key tied your identity that is verified by google, if trying to install on a "certified device" (which will be most devices). i still disagree with the move. but it's not as bad as it could be. maybe there's a way to "unlock" a certified device (similar to unlocking the bootloader)?
- vorpalhex 1y ago
  De-anonymization is being done for the same reason manifest v3 was - to help their youtube revenue.
- Springtime 1y ago
  I think there are a few main contentions: - The requirement, unless I'm mistaken, would tie a real-world identity of the developer to an app, who may wish to keep that separate from a pseudonym they may normally release things with. - Unwillingness to give Google PII or just not tie a particular pseudonymous identity to that PII on Google. - It puts absolute control in Google's hands for whether any app is allowed to run on most devices. There may be concerns about the types of decisions that may arise from this, not merely from recognized malware. Certain governments may ask Google to regulate apps allowed on such devices via this approach. - Once this globally rolls out in 2027 it will mean the audience for apps from devs who don't agree to this will shrink dramatically. Only those presumably with AOSP based custom ROMs will be able to use those apps which may have a knock-on effect for dev motivation.
- jrm4 1y ago
  Yeah,that's still really bad. I own the device, period.
- Speedy218 1y ago
  I'd argue it's basically the same thing except added in a complication to make it sound less bad. Google still has the final say here on what apps you install and don't install on your phone because verified developer's app still have to follow Google's rules, and if you don't, you will no longer be a verified developer. I reckon soon enough they will tighten the restriction and make it so that you have to install everything through the play store, Google and big corps always love making changes like this in small steps so that the backlash is minimal and they get to test the waters to see if they can get away with it.
  - awareunlikeu 1y ago
    This is exactly what they are doing! This is my take, Google trying to pull this sheeit is them trying to push further into Enterprise while at the same time giving Big Brother way more keys to more of our doors! with the added positive (negative for us) of recouping money from lost ad revenue, AKA: UNADULTERATED GREED! They don't want people side loading ReVanced/NewPipe and apps like them because they don't have an answer for it! And you can clearly see this with the steps they've tried to take in the last couple years, slowly locking down the Chrome browser and punishing people using things like Ublock Origin. When they look over at Apple devices they see that in order to load similar apps on their platform, the user not only have to be somewhat technically savvy, but also have to go way out of their way and pay money to share a developer account to sideload apps at least here in the US. And the amount of people doing that is not that many so Apple allows it while all the other norms have to pay for their YouTube premium monthly while still receiving ads! YOU WANT TO FEEL SAFE, GO BUY AN IPHONE EVEN THOUGH YOU WON'T ACTUALLY BE SAFE! My take is if you're going to use technology learn how to use it properly and know the risks associated with it! All of this eerily reminds me of how anti-firearms laws try and get made into legislation here in the US! It's all feel good measures that are voted on/talked about with complete ignorance of the subject matter and if actually become law, only hurt the law abiding without actually solving any of the problem! The problem being the people.. If this gets enacted I hope it ruins Google, but it won't they're too big to fail unfortunately! They are literally destroying the only reason to buy an Android device, FREEDOM!
pjmlp 1y ago
Hardly anything left, Apple and Microsoft have their own issues, Web is basically ChromeOS aka Google, and I still cannot buy GNU/Linux or BSD laptops at the local computer store.

olejorgenb 1y ago

Which platform though?

arnaudsm 1y ago
Web and GNU/Linux

gooob 1y ago

just making sure you understand the proposal correctly. you'd still be able to distribute the app through whatever means you want; the app just has to be signed with a key tied your identity that is verified by google, if trying to install on a "certified device" (which will be most devices). i still disagree with the move. but it's not as bad as it could be. maybe there's a way to "unlock" a certified device (similar to unlocking the bootloader)?

vorpalhex 1y ago
De-anonymization is being done for the same reason manifest v3 was - to help their youtube revenue.
Springtime 1y ago
I think there are a few main contentions: - The requirement, unless I'm mistaken, would tie a real-world identity of the developer to an app, who may wish to keep that separate from a pseudonym they may normally release things with. - Unwillingness to give Google PII or just not tie a particular pseudonymous identity to that PII on Google. - It puts absolute control in Google's hands for whether any app is allowed to run on most devices. There may be concerns about the types of decisions that may arise from this, not merely from recognized malware. Certain governments may ask Google to regulate apps allowed on such devices via this approach. - Once this globally rolls out in 2027 it will mean the audience for apps from devs who don't agree to this will shrink dramatically. Only those presumably with AOSP based custom ROMs will be able to use those apps which may have a knock-on effect for dev motivation.
jrm4 1y ago
Yeah,that's still really bad. I own the device, period.
Speedy218 1y ago
I'd argue it's basically the same thing except added in a complication to make it sound less bad. Google still has the final say here on what apps you install and don't install on your phone because verified developer's app still have to follow Google's rules, and if you don't, you will no longer be a verified developer. I reckon soon enough they will tighten the restriction and make it so that you have to install everything through the play store, Google and big corps always love making changes like this in small steps so that the backlash is minimal and they get to test the waters to see if they can get away with it.
- awareunlikeu 1y ago
  This is exactly what they are doing! This is my take, Google trying to pull this sheeit is them trying to push further into Enterprise while at the same time giving Big Brother way more keys to more of our doors! with the added positive (negative for us) of recouping money from lost ad revenue, AKA: UNADULTERATED GREED! They don't want people side loading ReVanced/NewPipe and apps like them because they don't have an answer for it! And you can clearly see this with the steps they've tried to take in the last couple years, slowly locking down the Chrome browser and punishing people using things like Ublock Origin. When they look over at Apple devices they see that in order to load similar apps on their platform, the user not only have to be somewhat technically savvy, but also have to go way out of their way and pay money to share a developer account to sideload apps at least here in the US. And the amount of people doing that is not that many so Apple allows it while all the other norms have to pay for their YouTube premium monthly while still receiving ads! YOU WANT TO FEEL SAFE, GO BUY AN IPHONE EVEN THOUGH YOU WON'T ACTUALLY BE SAFE! My take is if you're going to use technology learn how to use it properly and know the risks associated with it! All of this eerily reminds me of how anti-firearms laws try and get made into legislation here in the US! It's all feel good measures that are voted on/talked about with complete ignorance of the subject matter and if actually become law, only hurt the law abiding without actually solving any of the problem! The problem being the people.. If this gets enacted I hope it ruins Google, but it won't they're too big to fail unfortunately! They are literally destroying the only reason to buy an Android device, FREEDOM!

pjmlp 1y ago

Hardly anything left, Apple and Microsoft have their own issues, Web is basically ChromeOS aka Google, and I still cannot buy GNU/Linux or BSD laptops at the local computer store.