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What a shameful government! clicks the link blocked Oh right, France government is shameful too.

by nesk_ 1y ago

slickytail 1y ago
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tavavex 1y ago
Access to a fully uncensored internet seems to be in decline nowadays, especially in the Western countries. I also saw a comment about this article being blocked in Spain. I'm just glad that my country is still holding out with no centralized censorship authority or mechanism to mass block websites, though that might not last for long with how things are going right now.
- ignoramous 1y ago
  > Access to a fully uncensored internet seems to be in decline nowadays, especially in the Western countries. At this point, it is a global phenomenon (and there's been discussions at the UN General Assembly on carving up interwebs for "security"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_sovereignty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_sovereignty
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    Central European here. We live for piracy (imagine a more positive term). We do not intend to destroy it. Which means sci-hub and libgen are going to stay. So are torrent trackers. We have our own, too.
    - meindnoch 1y ago
      If piracy was somehow blocked in Central European countries, there would be actual riots.
      - johnisgood 1y ago
        My thoughts as well!
- Levitz 1y ago
  > I also saw a comment about this article being blocked in Spain. I'm currently reaching it from Spain after a certificate warning. We have our own disgraceful internet access thing going on nationally at the moment, but it doesn't really depend on domains.
  - EbNar 1y ago
    Works fine for me from Spain. Maybe due to IPv6...
- cedws 1y ago
  The freedom of the internet has peaked. I firmly believe the future of the internet is balkanisation, we’ll have “state networks” like China’s with limited intercommunication. The future will suck. Archive everything.
Pooge 1y ago
Genuine question: won't having your own—or independant—DNS server completely bypass that block?
- robinsonb5 1y ago
  Depends how it's implemented - once you've found the correct IP address you still have to connect to it, and some ISPs block and otherwise mess with traffic at that stage. In the early days of the IWF blocklist I had trouble with a Joomla install timing out when using my own ISP but it was fine if I used a proxy. It turned out to be because the Joomla install was on cheap GoDaddy hosting, and something on the IWF list was in the same IP block as my hosting - so my ISP was directing traffic through a filtering proxy which was causing problems with Joomla. (IP address alone isn't enough to identify a particular site, filtering everything for target websie was too expensive, so IP-based filtering was used to decide which traffic went through the filtering proxy.) The site seems to be blocked for me in the UK, too, by the way.
- diggan 1y ago
  > Genuine question: won't having your own—or independant—DNS server completely bypass that block? Depends. It seems Spain is doing interception on the data going from/to IPs, as resolving sci-hub.se with my ISP resolver gives me the same IP as I get when doing it externally (186.2.163.219), but when I visit https://sci-hub.se https://sci-hub.se I see a "Certificate not correct" warning, since the certificate belongs to allot.com, which seems to be the party actually implementing the block here.
  - adithyassekhar 1y ago
    You can keep refreshing the page and eventually it will work.
- adithyassekhar 1y ago
  Most ISPs nowadays use DPI to do these blocks which are actually redirects. And with how ssl certificates work, users will only see an error page instead of the redirected domain. If you're on Android you can use Intra from google https://getintra.org/intl/en-GB/#!/ https://getintra.org/intl/en-GB/#!/ Or if you're on Windows you can use GoodbyeDPI https://github.com/ValdikSS/GoodbyeDPI https://github.com/ValdikSS/GoodbyeDPI Both will split up your dns requests into chunks so the ISPs filter won't catch it.
shaan7 1y ago
Same in Germany, unfortunately. Was on HN a few days back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45003033 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45003033
kergonath 1y ago
> France government is shameful too If you had any doubt…
ytch 1y ago
Also United Kingdom. Then we meet the question again: how to protect children/copyright owner without censorship? or how to censor content while keeping freedom of speech?
- crinkly 1y ago
  It's only blocked on certain ISPs in the UK. Mine (Zen) is not blocked.
ulrikrasmussen 1y ago
Same in Denmark. They even stopped DNS-blocking it by redirecting to a page telling you that you have been blocked. Instead they now DNS-block it by redirecting you to 127.0.0.1.
orwin 1y ago
When scihub main ip/domain was banned by commercial ISPs in France, I could still access it through Renater, which is extremely ironic. I wonder if a french researcher (or a French student in a university/engineering school) could check if it's still the case.
mannycalavera42 1y ago
same in Italy (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
nickserv 1y ago
Works for me in France using the 1.1.1.1 DNS server, which I use on all my devices.
stared 1y ago
Fortunately, in Poland it still works. Sadly, most of the Europe is in favour of various kind of censorship and surveillance, vide https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1n22e8s/stances_on_european_unions_chat_control_proposal/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1n22e8s/stances_on...

What a shameful government! clicks the link blocked Oh right, France government is shameful too.

by nesk_ 1y ago

What a shameful government! clicks the link blocked Oh right, France government is shameful too.

slickytail 1y ago

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tavavex 1y ago

Access to a fully uncensored internet seems to be in decline nowadays, especially in the Western countries. I also saw a comment about this article being blocked in Spain. I'm just glad that my country is still holding out with no centralized censorship authority or mechanism to mass block websites, though that might not last for long with how things are going right now.

ignoramous 1y ago
> Access to a fully uncensored internet seems to be in decline nowadays, especially in the Western countries. At this point, it is a global phenomenon (and there's been discussions at the UN General Assembly on carving up interwebs for "security"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_sovereignty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_sovereignty
- johnisgood 1y ago
  Central European here. We live for piracy (imagine a more positive term). We do not intend to destroy it. Which means sci-hub and libgen are going to stay. So are torrent trackers. We have our own, too.
  - meindnoch 1y ago
    If piracy was somehow blocked in Central European countries, there would be actual riots.
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      My thoughts as well!
Levitz 1y ago
> I also saw a comment about this article being blocked in Spain. I'm currently reaching it from Spain after a certificate warning. We have our own disgraceful internet access thing going on nationally at the moment, but it doesn't really depend on domains.
- EbNar 1y ago
  Works fine for me from Spain. Maybe due to IPv6...
cedws 1y ago
The freedom of the internet has peaked. I firmly believe the future of the internet is balkanisation, we’ll have “state networks” like China’s with limited intercommunication. The future will suck. Archive everything.

Pooge 1y ago

Genuine question: won't having your own—or independant—DNS server completely bypass that block?

robinsonb5 1y ago
Depends how it's implemented - once you've found the correct IP address you still have to connect to it, and some ISPs block and otherwise mess with traffic at that stage. In the early days of the IWF blocklist I had trouble with a Joomla install timing out when using my own ISP but it was fine if I used a proxy. It turned out to be because the Joomla install was on cheap GoDaddy hosting, and something on the IWF list was in the same IP block as my hosting - so my ISP was directing traffic through a filtering proxy which was causing problems with Joomla. (IP address alone isn't enough to identify a particular site, filtering everything for target websie was too expensive, so IP-based filtering was used to decide which traffic went through the filtering proxy.) The site seems to be blocked for me in the UK, too, by the way.
diggan 1y ago
> Genuine question: won't having your own—or independant—DNS server completely bypass that block? Depends. It seems Spain is doing interception on the data going from/to IPs, as resolving sci-hub.se with my ISP resolver gives me the same IP as I get when doing it externally (186.2.163.219), but when I visit https://sci-hub.se https://sci-hub.se I see a "Certificate not correct" warning, since the certificate belongs to allot.com, which seems to be the party actually implementing the block here.
- adithyassekhar 1y ago
  You can keep refreshing the page and eventually it will work.
adithyassekhar 1y ago
Most ISPs nowadays use DPI to do these blocks which are actually redirects. And with how ssl certificates work, users will only see an error page instead of the redirected domain. If you're on Android you can use Intra from google https://getintra.org/intl/en-GB/#!/ https://getintra.org/intl/en-GB/#!/ Or if you're on Windows you can use GoodbyeDPI https://github.com/ValdikSS/GoodbyeDPI https://github.com/ValdikSS/GoodbyeDPI Both will split up your dns requests into chunks so the ISPs filter won't catch it.

shaan7 1y ago

Same in Germany, unfortunately. Was on HN a few days back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45003033 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45003033

kergonath 1y ago

> France government is shameful too If you had any doubt…

ytch 1y ago

Also United Kingdom. Then we meet the question again: how to protect children/copyright owner without censorship? or how to censor content while keeping freedom of speech?

crinkly 1y ago
It's only blocked on certain ISPs in the UK. Mine (Zen) is not blocked.

ulrikrasmussen 1y ago

Same in Denmark. They even stopped DNS-blocking it by redirecting to a page telling you that you have been blocked. Instead they now DNS-block it by redirecting you to 127.0.0.1.

orwin 1y ago

When scihub main ip/domain was banned by commercial ISPs in France, I could still access it through Renater, which is extremely ironic. I wonder if a french researcher (or a French student in a university/engineering school) could check if it's still the case.

mannycalavera42 1y ago

same in Italy (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

nickserv 1y ago

Works for me in France using the 1.1.1.1 DNS server, which I use on all my devices.

stared 1y ago

Fortunately, in Poland it still works. Sadly, most of the Europe is in favour of various kind of censorship and surveillance, vide https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1n22e8s/stances_on_european_unions_chat_control_proposal/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1n22e8s/stances_on...