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Help me understand how gunshot wounds have nothing to do with public health? They study the other common forms of death/injury. If anything, giving guns a spec

Help me understand how gunshot wounds have nothing to do with public health? They study the other common forms of death/injury. If anything, giving guns a special exemption from scrutiny is the political move.

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throwawaymaths 1y ago
Plenty of other organizations public and private already handling this issue. No need to waste funds on it. Anything less is a dangerous distraction for the CDC which really needs to focus on its core competency -- protecting the us from pathogenic threats. Should the department of HUD send rockets to space? Of course not.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  > Plenty of other organizations public and private already handling this issue. So? We have more than one law enforcement agency, too. > Should the department of HUD send rockets to space? Of course not. Should the department of Health touch on a major health issue? Of course.
  - throwawaymaths 1y ago
    CDC is not "the department of health". That would be DHHS.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is the national public health agency of the United States. It is a United States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), and is headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia.”
      - throwawaymaths 1y ago
        Yes that's exactly the problem. Scope has been creeping for decades. Effort reduplicated across several sub branches of DHHS
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        I’m not sure how to explain to you that some problems are multi-factorial. Have you never needed another department’s assistance with a work task? The CDC and HUD (and EPA and DOJ and whatnot) would both be involved in lead exposure in children, for example. Different aspects of the same big problem.
DoctorOetker 1y ago
Is work an epidemic? At what rate do people die or get injured at work?
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  It is the leading cause of death for children and teens.
  - DoctorOetker 1y ago
    Thats interesting, do you have some references?
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-... https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761 https://www.kff.org/mental-health/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/ https://www.kff.org/mental-health/child-and-teen-firearm-mor... https://www.google.com/ https://www.google.com/
      - DoctorOetker 1y ago
        I thought you were talking about work, its not clear you were talking about guns in your comment.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        The CDC tracks accidents, too. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
- throwawaymaths 1y ago
  Yeah maybe the CDC should get into the business of OSHA too.
unsnap_biceps 1y ago
The mental health of the perpetrator is also a public health concern and could fairly be considered a epidemic
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  Yes. The folks who want us to pretend gun violence isn’t a problem also oppose mental health funding.
- throwawaymaths 1y ago
  This is a problem. Government departments must have delimited authority and scope. There are other government and nonprofit entities tracking gun violence. Absolutely no need for CDC to get involved except for stupid politics. It's a distraction from their core mission.
  - Gigachad 1y ago
    I doubt this took much of their resources or attention at all. Seems more like commenters are mad about this data being tracked rather than genuine concern over the departments resource allocations.
  - jeffbee 1y ago
    The CDC was directed by Congress to prevent injuries by the 1986 Injury Prevention Act and the 1990 Injury Control Act, notwithstanding your superficial and frankly moronic understanding of the agency.
  - Esophagus4 1y ago
    > It's a distraction from their core mission. So if they can study gun violence while still accomplishing their core mission without distraction, surely you’d be ok with this, I presume?
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    Aren't 2Aers the ones pushing the narrative toward mental health so they don't get slapped with gun control?
lubujackson 1y ago
Don't have a dog in this race, but were they also tracking deatha from auto accidents and the like? Because if it was part of a big pie chart of how people die, then no problem. If it was specifically only about guns, then it was political.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  Answering that question takes less time than the comment took to type. https://www.cdc.gov/transportation-safety/about/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/transportation-safety/about/index.html
- magicalist 1y ago
  > but were they also tracking deatha from auto accidents and the like? I mean, are we doing learned helplessness tonight or just pretending for rhetorical reasons or...? https://www.cdc.gov/transportation-safety/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/transportation-safety/index.html
- braiamp 1y ago
  All external injuries (mostly traumas, but also burns, poison, frostbite, etc.) that result in deaths, no matter their intention (murder, accident, suicide) have 2 chapters dedicated in the International Classification of Diseases 10 (also 11). Yes, tracking what harms and kills people is kinda important from the public health standpoint, so that there are resources to deal with the injuries and educate in case of prevention. It also happens to be interested in work related injuries too! https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/XIX https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/XIX https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/XX https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/XX

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throwawaymaths 1y ago

Plenty of other organizations public and private already handling this issue. No need to waste funds on it. Anything less is a dangerous distraction for the CDC which really needs to focus on its core competency -- protecting the us from pathogenic threats. Should the department of HUD send rockets to space? Of course not.

ceejayoz 1y ago
> Plenty of other organizations public and private already handling this issue. So? We have more than one law enforcement agency, too. > Should the department of HUD send rockets to space? Of course not. Should the department of Health touch on a major health issue? Of course.
- throwawaymaths 1y ago
  CDC is not "the department of health". That would be DHHS.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is the national public health agency of the United States. It is a United States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), and is headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia.”
    - throwawaymaths 1y ago
      Yes that's exactly the problem. Scope has been creeping for decades. Effort reduplicated across several sub branches of DHHS
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        I’m not sure how to explain to you that some problems are multi-factorial. Have you never needed another department’s assistance with a work task? The CDC and HUD (and EPA and DOJ and whatnot) would both be involved in lead exposure in children, for example. Different aspects of the same big problem.

DoctorOetker 1y ago

Is work an epidemic? At what rate do people die or get injured at work?

ceejayoz 1y ago
It is the leading cause of death for children and teens.
- DoctorOetker 1y ago
  Thats interesting, do you have some references?
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-... https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761 https://www.kff.org/mental-health/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/ https://www.kff.org/mental-health/child-and-teen-firearm-mor... https://www.google.com/ https://www.google.com/
    - DoctorOetker 1y ago
      I thought you were talking about work, its not clear you were talking about guns in your comment.
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        The CDC tracks accidents, too. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
throwawaymaths 1y ago
Yeah maybe the CDC should get into the business of OSHA too.

unsnap_biceps 1y ago

The mental health of the perpetrator is also a public health concern and could fairly be considered a epidemic

ceejayoz 1y ago
Yes. The folks who want us to pretend gun violence isn’t a problem also oppose mental health funding.
throwawaymaths 1y ago
This is a problem. Government departments must have delimited authority and scope. There are other government and nonprofit entities tracking gun violence. Absolutely no need for CDC to get involved except for stupid politics. It's a distraction from their core mission.
- Gigachad 1y ago
  I doubt this took much of their resources or attention at all. Seems more like commenters are mad about this data being tracked rather than genuine concern over the departments resource allocations.
- jeffbee 1y ago
  The CDC was directed by Congress to prevent injuries by the 1986 Injury Prevention Act and the 1990 Injury Control Act, notwithstanding your superficial and frankly moronic understanding of the agency.
- Esophagus4 1y ago
  > It's a distraction from their core mission. So if they can study gun violence while still accomplishing their core mission without distraction, surely you’d be ok with this, I presume?
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  Aren't 2Aers the ones pushing the narrative toward mental health so they don't get slapped with gun control?

lubujackson 1y ago

Don't have a dog in this race, but were they also tracking deatha from auto accidents and the like? Because if it was part of a big pie chart of how people die, then no problem. If it was specifically only about guns, then it was political.

ceejayoz 1y ago
Answering that question takes less time than the comment took to type. https://www.cdc.gov/transportation-safety/about/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/transportation-safety/about/index.html
magicalist 1y ago
> but were they also tracking deatha from auto accidents and the like? I mean, are we doing learned helplessness tonight or just pretending for rhetorical reasons or...? https://www.cdc.gov/transportation-safety/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/transportation-safety/index.html
braiamp 1y ago
All external injuries (mostly traumas, but also burns, poison, frostbite, etc.) that result in deaths, no matter their intention (murder, accident, suicide) have 2 chapters dedicated in the International Classification of Diseases 10 (also 11). Yes, tracking what harms and kills people is kinda important from the public health standpoint, so that there are resources to deal with the injuries and educate in case of prevention. It also happens to be interested in work related injuries too! https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/XIX https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/XIX https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/XX https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/XX