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I'm curious, why are not these people hit with C&D from Apple? And other great projects, like Corellium (Actual iOS VM, not that crap Apple makes) are hit hard

I'm curious, why are not these people hit with C&D from Apple? And other great projects, like Corellium (Actual iOS VM, not that crap Apple makes) are hit hard with lawsuits etc. (You know, great project for these people who is still RE iOS for 0days and report them to Apple, which is behind me long time ago, reporting 0days for peanuts, yeah right :) )

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MBCook 1y ago
The Asahi team had made comments that it’s clearly Apple is ‘silently encouraging’ what they’re doing. With all of Apple’s secure boot stuff they had more than enough ways tot totally squash running alternate OSes on the machines like a bug. Instead they seem to have gone out of their way in a few places to make it not only possible but secure. They’ll NEVER say anything publicly, or give documentation, but they’re leaving doors open on purpose.
dagmx 1y ago
Completely different projects in terms of what they’re providing. Correlium was selling and distributing access to Apple’s software along with security bypasses. Asahi is not redistributing any Apple IP, are using Apple sanctioned methods to run, and are not commercial.
jajuuka 1y ago
Biggest thing is Asahi project is not a for-profit venture. It also mutually benefits Apple since that encourages hardware sales from non-traditional customers.
creesch 1y ago
If I had to guess. One seeks to reverse engineer hardware to run an open source OS. The seeks to emulate a platform to run a proprietary closed source OS. If I remember correctly, Apple at the introduction of M1 made some explicit statements about the hardware not being locked down. Something along the lines of nothing preventing Linux to run on it.
Perz1val 1y ago
I remember apple even made some change that asahi devs were really happy and said "this is for us" (marcan's tweet iirc)
saagarjha 1y ago
Corellium being a commercial product (and thus a company you can sue) probably made it easier.

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MBCook 1y ago

The Asahi team had made comments that it’s clearly Apple is ‘silently encouraging’ what they’re doing. With all of Apple’s secure boot stuff they had more than enough ways tot totally squash running alternate OSes on the machines like a bug. Instead they seem to have gone out of their way in a few places to make it not only possible but secure. They’ll NEVER say anything publicly, or give documentation, but they’re leaving doors open on purpose.

dagmx 1y ago

Completely different projects in terms of what they’re providing. Correlium was selling and distributing access to Apple’s software along with security bypasses. Asahi is not redistributing any Apple IP, are using Apple sanctioned methods to run, and are not commercial.

jajuuka 1y ago

Biggest thing is Asahi project is not a for-profit venture. It also mutually benefits Apple since that encourages hardware sales from non-traditional customers.

creesch 1y ago

If I had to guess. One seeks to reverse engineer hardware to run an open source OS. The seeks to emulate a platform to run a proprietary closed source OS. If I remember correctly, Apple at the introduction of M1 made some explicit statements about the hardware not being locked down. Something along the lines of nothing preventing Linux to run on it.

Perz1val 1y ago

I remember apple even made some change that asahi devs were really happy and said "this is for us" (marcan's tweet iirc)

saagarjha 1y ago

Corellium being a commercial product (and thus a company you can sue) probably made it easier.