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> but Orban's fifteen-year drive into corrupt, racist autocracy, endorsed by the voters at every turn, is just some sort of very temporary oopsie that says noth
by sofixa 1y ago
> but Orban's fifteen-year drive into corrupt, racist autocracy, endorsed by the voters at every turn, is just some sort of very temporary oopsie that says nothing at all about Europe
Yes, Orban says nothing about Europe. It says plenty about Hungary though. Europe not being a country, and the EU being very heavily decentralised, that makes sense.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 1y ago>Orban says nothing about Europe. Hungary is literally in Europe. If Orban says nothing about Europe, then nothing can ever say anything about Europe. Your country is choosing to stay in a union with Orban's. If EU membership is meaningless, as you imply, it should be easy for your country to quit in order to make a point about Hungary.
- sofixa 1y ago> Hungary is literally in Europe. If Orban says nothing about Europe, then nothing can ever say anything about Europe. so are the Vatican and Andorra and Belarus, so all of Europe is theocratic and/or a kleptocracy? > Your country is choosing to stay in a union with Orban's Because the benefits far outweigh the association with that pigshit, who will also die some day. Also, the EU can and does exert influence over countries, so some of Orban's excesses can be curbed.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 1y ago>so are the Vatican and Andorra and Belarus, so all of Europe is theocratic and/or a kleptocracy? All of the places we're discussing are part of Europe, so insofar as any place can be said to "say something about" Europe, each says something about it. >Because the benefits far outweigh the association with that pigshit, who will also die some day. Also, the EU can and does exert influence over countries, so some of Orban's excesses can be curbed. One could make similar arguments for staying in the US. Trump is 79; Orban is 62.