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Neuralink is amazing technology and watching videos of participants who have completely different abilities and freedom with Neuralink implants is mind blowing.

Neuralink is amazing technology and watching videos of participants who have completely different abilities and freedom with Neuralink implants is mind blowing. It’s sad that many want to dismiss these amazing achievements just because it’s an Elon Musk founded company. At some point you simply have to acknowledge his success (and his team’s), and hope they get further with all of this. For those interested in their clinical trials: https://neuralink.com/trials/ https://neuralink.com/trials/

mritterhoff 1y ago
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- drdaeman 1y ago
  I'm not sure whenever it's a good idea to cheer for lack of life-changing technical progress just because it's ran by a company governed by an ethically problematic person. The person is temporary, the progress is permanent.
  - apical_dendrite 1y ago
    The damage that can be done by an unethical person is not always temporary.
  - mritterhoff 1y ago
    I'm mostly cheering for more competition in the field. No reason for advances in life-changing technical progress to belong solely to that one company.
  - michaelmrose 1y ago
    It is if 99.9% don't need the tech and face worse outcomes in real life because of Musk
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > It is if 99.9% don't need the tech and face worse outcomes in real life because of Musk Everyone with motor dysfunction should suffer so we can stick it to a racist man child? Who’s the villain in that narrative?
      - ben_w 1y ago
        If only it was so simple. I could also say that the neuroscientists I follow don't seem particularly impressed with the research coming out of Neuralink (unlike the rocket people who are all impressed with SpaceX), and also the man himself seems to be using his wealth and sales skills to try to radically shift the Overton Window in several countries including both where I live now and where I grew up, so less benefit than the headline suggests for a higher cost than letting a man-child be a man-child.
- fourseventy 1y ago
  For someone with a supreme lack of judgement he sure does own a lot of billion dollar companies. I strive to have the same lack of judgement that he has.
  - jakeydus 1y ago
    I hope not, I'd rather have fewer narcissistic sociopaths in the world. He only cares about himself and what people think of him. Nothing he does is to benefit other people. He's not Iron Man, he's Lex Luthor. I guess people have always idolized the creeps of the world, though.
    - marknutter 1y ago
      It will never cease to amaze me how some people think they can know somebody the've never met as well as you think you do. I attribute it to projection.
      - buellerbueller 1y ago
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      - jjcob 1y ago
        This guy tweets all day and the press talks about every little thing he ever does, there are hundreds of videos of him on youtube, dozens of his employees and ex-employees telling stories about him on the net. How much more do you think you are going to learn if you actually talk to him?
        0xDEAFBEAD 1y ago
        I would argue a lot of Musk haters are not getting a representative sample of his behavior, but rather only the most outrageous things he says and does, which tend to be the things that penetrate their bubble.
        1y ago
didibus 1y ago
> It’s sad that many want to dismiss these amazing achievements just because it’s an Elon Musk founded company That's not a fair take. This isn't "just a thing", this leads to massive financial gain by someone whose now a very influential power into people's lives from his involvement in politics and other circles of influence. People can do good and bad at the same time, and if you're impacted by the bad things the person does, the good doesn't excuse it, and you'd want to stop them from doing more bad, it makes sense not to cheer on the good things they do that then fuels their effort into the bad things. There can be disagreement on if they are doing bad, but to someone who believes so, it's a rational stance to not cheer on what can further fuel what they consider bad.
- jakeydus 1y ago
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BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
Neuralink is super cool actually great medical tech, and elon comes in -in this article- blabbing about optimus robots or whatever as usual. I hope elon continues to get neuralink lots of money so that they can do useful things.
ActorNightly 1y ago
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- erulabs 1y ago
  Not trying to be snarky, but doesn't this mental model effectively allow you to ignore any/all things otherwise intelligent people have to say, simply because you disagree? If I met Einstein, and he had opinions about how to cook chicken that differed from mine, I wouldn't leap to "he's a complete moron in the kitchen!", i'd be inclined to really attempt to understand the difference of opinion. I'm not disagreeing that intelligence can be domain specific, but I'd be careful going to far with this. It is _not_ obviously the case that "anyone who can think critically leans towards the Democratic party", and putting that forward seems like an exceptionally dangerous bubble to build.
  - marknutter 1y ago
    "anyone who can think critically leans towards the Democratic party" isn't something anyone who's actually intelligent would ever say.
    - homefree 1y ago
      It's exactly what a partisan reddit midwit would say and they're overrepresented when it comes to Elon Musk hatred. There used to be less of that on HN, my theory is younger accounts that are more politically extreme/lefty are now here as the younger generation graduates school and posts more on HN. There's some historical irony too since communism came out of highly educated academic elites and is responsible for an enormous amount of death and value destruction. Ideological driven academics that think they're better than everyone are particularly good at crafting insane ideologies someone outside of that insular community would not, then leveraging institutional and cultural power to force it on everyone else. The woke and gender ideologies share similar origins, same for DEI. It's a political and ideological monoculture and it's a dangerous mixture of incredibly confidently smug and wrong. Worth picking up Peter Thiel's first book which goes into this in some detail (he wrote it pretty young, observing the early start of this when he was at Stanford). It's wildly prescient and was from the mid 90s iirc.
apical_dendrite 1y ago
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cosmicgadget 1y ago
Is it okay to be skeptically appreciative of Neuralink's technological breakthroughs while hoping that, due to its association with Elon, that the technology and talent decides to go elsewhere? Could be for saltiness over his politics. Could be for skepticism that he can deliver (robotaxi, Mars, etc). Could be for wariness that he'll turn it to shit like USDS, Twitter, and Tesla's finances.
daotoad 1y ago
I'd expect that right now it's life changing in a positive way for many recipients. - The people getting it are in very rough shape and even a tiny bit of improved ability to control their environment is a tremendous gift to them - Musk seems to be busy playing with his other toys - We're far to early in this tech's progress for enshitification to start Much as I dislike Musk, for the sake of all the people with debilitating conditions that this could help, I wish him phenomenal success with this project. OTOH, I don't trust him to manage this as a product in an ethical way. What's the DBI equivalent of locking you in a car to drown?
vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
It’s actually the other way around. Musk is getting a ton of attention even for stuff that’s inferior to what other teams are doing.
- ACCount37 1y ago
  "Inferior?" Neuralink's tech is SOTA. Before Neuralink, there was no major investment into BCI tech as far as eye could see - because medicine is where innovation goes to die. We've gone from Utah arrays in 1990 to Utah arrays in 2020. All while computing and AI - the other key enablers of neural interfaces - advanced in leaps and bounds.
  - vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
    Neuralink maybe. Do you remember how much attention he got for his stupid submarine during the Thai cave rescue?
    - WalterBright 1y ago
      I have lots of ideas. Some are great, some are ordinary, and some turn out to be embarrassingly stupid. So does everyone else who tries to create new things. Edison had dumb ideas, too, like his mining ideas. The Wrights also had dumb ideas like their persistence with wing warping, and the canard stabilizer. The sub thing didn't hurt anyone, it was an emergency so he didn't have much time to think about it, so really it's uncharitable to slam him for trying to help. Do you think his rockets are dumb ideas, too? Starlink? Tesla?
      - vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
        This discussion started with somebody complaining that people are dismissing Neuralink because it's Musk's company. My point is that his ideas are getting way more attention than other people's ideas, stupid or not. And he is an attention whore who will go after people who are dismissing his ideas. The cave guys in Thailand had to waste precious time thinking about his submarine. If Musk had really been willing to help, he would have done testing in quiet and published things only when it was clear that it worked. But he is an attention whore because he knows it's good for business. Same for DOGE. They could have done their work in quiet and with deliberation. Instead they fired quickly some random people whose work they didn't understand or like.

mritterhoff 1y ago

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drdaeman 1y ago
I'm not sure whenever it's a good idea to cheer for lack of life-changing technical progress just because it's ran by a company governed by an ethically problematic person. The person is temporary, the progress is permanent.
- apical_dendrite 1y ago
  The damage that can be done by an unethical person is not always temporary.
- mritterhoff 1y ago
  I'm mostly cheering for more competition in the field. No reason for advances in life-changing technical progress to belong solely to that one company.
- michaelmrose 1y ago
  It is if 99.9% don't need the tech and face worse outcomes in real life because of Musk
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > It is if 99.9% don't need the tech and face worse outcomes in real life because of Musk Everyone with motor dysfunction should suffer so we can stick it to a racist man child? Who’s the villain in that narrative?
    - ben_w 1y ago
      If only it was so simple. I could also say that the neuroscientists I follow don't seem particularly impressed with the research coming out of Neuralink (unlike the rocket people who are all impressed with SpaceX), and also the man himself seems to be using his wealth and sales skills to try to radically shift the Overton Window in several countries including both where I live now and where I grew up, so less benefit than the headline suggests for a higher cost than letting a man-child be a man-child.
fourseventy 1y ago
For someone with a supreme lack of judgement he sure does own a lot of billion dollar companies. I strive to have the same lack of judgement that he has.
- jakeydus 1y ago
  I hope not, I'd rather have fewer narcissistic sociopaths in the world. He only cares about himself and what people think of him. Nothing he does is to benefit other people. He's not Iron Man, he's Lex Luthor. I guess people have always idolized the creeps of the world, though.
  - marknutter 1y ago
    It will never cease to amaze me how some people think they can know somebody the've never met as well as you think you do. I attribute it to projection.
    - buellerbueller 1y ago
      [flagged]
    - jjcob 1y ago
      This guy tweets all day and the press talks about every little thing he ever does, there are hundreds of videos of him on youtube, dozens of his employees and ex-employees telling stories about him on the net. How much more do you think you are going to learn if you actually talk to him?
      - 0xDEAFBEAD 1y ago
        I would argue a lot of Musk haters are not getting a representative sample of his behavior, but rather only the most outrageous things he says and does, which tend to be the things that penetrate their bubble.
        1y ago

didibus 1y ago

> It’s sad that many want to dismiss these amazing achievements just because it’s an Elon Musk founded company That's not a fair take. This isn't "just a thing", this leads to massive financial gain by someone whose now a very influential power into people's lives from his involvement in politics and other circles of influence. People can do good and bad at the same time, and if you're impacted by the bad things the person does, the good doesn't excuse it, and you'd want to stop them from doing more bad, it makes sense not to cheer on the good things they do that then fuels their effort into the bad things. There can be disagreement on if they are doing bad, but to someone who believes so, it's a rational stance to not cheer on what can further fuel what they consider bad.

jakeydus 1y ago
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BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago

Neuralink is super cool actually great medical tech, and elon comes in -in this article- blabbing about optimus robots or whatever as usual. I hope elon continues to get neuralink lots of money so that they can do useful things.

ActorNightly 1y ago

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erulabs 1y ago
Not trying to be snarky, but doesn't this mental model effectively allow you to ignore any/all things otherwise intelligent people have to say, simply because you disagree? If I met Einstein, and he had opinions about how to cook chicken that differed from mine, I wouldn't leap to "he's a complete moron in the kitchen!", i'd be inclined to really attempt to understand the difference of opinion. I'm not disagreeing that intelligence can be domain specific, but I'd be careful going to far with this. It is _not_ obviously the case that "anyone who can think critically leans towards the Democratic party", and putting that forward seems like an exceptionally dangerous bubble to build.
- marknutter 1y ago
  "anyone who can think critically leans towards the Democratic party" isn't something anyone who's actually intelligent would ever say.
  - homefree 1y ago
    It's exactly what a partisan reddit midwit would say and they're overrepresented when it comes to Elon Musk hatred. There used to be less of that on HN, my theory is younger accounts that are more politically extreme/lefty are now here as the younger generation graduates school and posts more on HN. There's some historical irony too since communism came out of highly educated academic elites and is responsible for an enormous amount of death and value destruction. Ideological driven academics that think they're better than everyone are particularly good at crafting insane ideologies someone outside of that insular community would not, then leveraging institutional and cultural power to force it on everyone else. The woke and gender ideologies share similar origins, same for DEI. It's a political and ideological monoculture and it's a dangerous mixture of incredibly confidently smug and wrong. Worth picking up Peter Thiel's first book which goes into this in some detail (he wrote it pretty young, observing the early start of this when he was at Stanford). It's wildly prescient and was from the mid 90s iirc.

apical_dendrite 1y ago

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cosmicgadget 1y ago

Is it okay to be skeptically appreciative of Neuralink's technological breakthroughs while hoping that, due to its association with Elon, that the technology and talent decides to go elsewhere? Could be for saltiness over his politics. Could be for skepticism that he can deliver (robotaxi, Mars, etc). Could be for wariness that he'll turn it to shit like USDS, Twitter, and Tesla's finances.

daotoad 1y ago

I'd expect that right now it's life changing in a positive way for many recipients. - The people getting it are in very rough shape and even a tiny bit of improved ability to control their environment is a tremendous gift to them - Musk seems to be busy playing with his other toys - We're far to early in this tech's progress for enshitification to start Much as I dislike Musk, for the sake of all the people with debilitating conditions that this could help, I wish him phenomenal success with this project. OTOH, I don't trust him to manage this as a product in an ethical way. What's the DBI equivalent of locking you in a car to drown?

vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago

It’s actually the other way around. Musk is getting a ton of attention even for stuff that’s inferior to what other teams are doing.

ACCount37 1y ago
"Inferior?" Neuralink's tech is SOTA. Before Neuralink, there was no major investment into BCI tech as far as eye could see - because medicine is where innovation goes to die. We've gone from Utah arrays in 1990 to Utah arrays in 2020. All while computing and AI - the other key enablers of neural interfaces - advanced in leaps and bounds.
- vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
  Neuralink maybe. Do you remember how much attention he got for his stupid submarine during the Thai cave rescue?
  - WalterBright 1y ago
    I have lots of ideas. Some are great, some are ordinary, and some turn out to be embarrassingly stupid. So does everyone else who tries to create new things. Edison had dumb ideas, too, like his mining ideas. The Wrights also had dumb ideas like their persistence with wing warping, and the canard stabilizer. The sub thing didn't hurt anyone, it was an emergency so he didn't have much time to think about it, so really it's uncharitable to slam him for trying to help. Do you think his rockets are dumb ideas, too? Starlink? Tesla?
    - vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
      This discussion started with somebody complaining that people are dismissing Neuralink because it's Musk's company. My point is that his ideas are getting way more attention than other people's ideas, stupid or not. And he is an attention whore who will go after people who are dismissing his ideas. The cave guys in Thailand had to waste precious time thinking about his submarine. If Musk had really been willing to help, he would have done testing in quiet and published things only when it was clear that it worked. But he is an attention whore because he knows it's good for business. Same for DOGE. They could have done their work in quiet and with deliberation. Instead they fired quickly some random people whose work they didn't understand or like.