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Citizen boycott is then needed.

by maelito 1y ago

nicbou 1y ago
As a Canadian it started the moment they threatened to invade their long-term ally.
- sam_lowry_ 1y ago
  How effective is that?
  - roxolotl 1y ago
    It seems to be having a pretty damaging impact to the US alcohol industry. Not sure if that counts as effective to you but it is having impacts. https://www.wsj.com/business/us-alcohol-industry-canada-boycott-71dbd1e0 https://www.wsj.com/business/us-alcohol-industry-canada-boyc... (Not paywalled) https://archive.is/r8Cxr https://archive.is/r8Cxr
  - jjkaczor 1y ago
    In some areas - like US wine and alcohol sales to Canada - and tourism, according to ongoing news reports it is apparently devastating - they are begging Canadians to buy their products again. In other areas - when the entire Canadian federal (and most provincial and territorial governments - many municipal governments, and of course the entire educational sector due to low-cost licensing) and large-scale industries are completely dependent on Microsoft 365 + Azure platforms (probably AWS as well) - information technology and management usage of US technologies is definitely not being boycotted...
    - jmclnx 1y ago
      It should be very easy to get away from Microsoft products, but management would need to be tough and put their foot down. Plus once the move succeeds the IT budget will probably have a lot of $ freed for other things. I saw an attempt at a very large company to abandon M/S, it was working but there were a huge amount complaints. Then after a couple months, you can guess what happened. Certain people, usually 1st and 2nd level management, got exemptions, then some "important" finance people. Guess what, the move failed because you ended up with 2 tiers of employees, the revolts started happening. After 1 year, the relented and went back to M/S.
      - jjkaczor 1y ago
        ... well, the big problem I would see is not in the "basics" - storing documents on a web-enabled location is solved in the open-source world. However - it is not just that when looking at Microsoft 365 + Azure - it is the inter-connected dependencies between SharePoint Online, Teams, Purview and the desktop OS/Office applications; Metadata/smart-documents, IRM/DLP/Records Management, etc.
  - nicbou 1y ago
    My personal decision? Not very impactful now that I live in Europe, but it means I will not set foot on US soil, that I divest from US-based services, and that I don't buy American. I don't care how effective it is, because there is no anger behind it. It's just a thing I stopped doing, like some people stop drinking or eating meat. Those habits stick.
- Cyph0n 1y ago
  As an American, it is absolutely astounding how stupid of a move that was (in addition to tariffs on Canada). This is going to have long lasting repercussions for US-Canada relations, and for what exactly?
epolanski 1y ago
I have convinced some of my clients to move to European-based cloud offerings. I can't say I've moved millions yet, but we're in the order of tens of thousands per month staying in Europe rather than going to US.

Citizen boycott is then needed.

nicbou 1y ago

As a Canadian it started the moment they threatened to invade their long-term ally.

sam_lowry_ 1y ago
How effective is that?
- roxolotl 1y ago
  It seems to be having a pretty damaging impact to the US alcohol industry. Not sure if that counts as effective to you but it is having impacts. https://www.wsj.com/business/us-alcohol-industry-canada-boycott-71dbd1e0 https://www.wsj.com/business/us-alcohol-industry-canada-boyc... (Not paywalled) https://archive.is/r8Cxr https://archive.is/r8Cxr
- jjkaczor 1y ago
  In some areas - like US wine and alcohol sales to Canada - and tourism, according to ongoing news reports it is apparently devastating - they are begging Canadians to buy their products again. In other areas - when the entire Canadian federal (and most provincial and territorial governments - many municipal governments, and of course the entire educational sector due to low-cost licensing) and large-scale industries are completely dependent on Microsoft 365 + Azure platforms (probably AWS as well) - information technology and management usage of US technologies is definitely not being boycotted...
  - jmclnx 1y ago
    It should be very easy to get away from Microsoft products, but management would need to be tough and put their foot down. Plus once the move succeeds the IT budget will probably have a lot of $ freed for other things. I saw an attempt at a very large company to abandon M/S, it was working but there were a huge amount complaints. Then after a couple months, you can guess what happened. Certain people, usually 1st and 2nd level management, got exemptions, then some "important" finance people. Guess what, the move failed because you ended up with 2 tiers of employees, the revolts started happening. After 1 year, the relented and went back to M/S.
    - jjkaczor 1y ago
      ... well, the big problem I would see is not in the "basics" - storing documents on a web-enabled location is solved in the open-source world. However - it is not just that when looking at Microsoft 365 + Azure - it is the inter-connected dependencies between SharePoint Online, Teams, Purview and the desktop OS/Office applications; Metadata/smart-documents, IRM/DLP/Records Management, etc.
- nicbou 1y ago
  My personal decision? Not very impactful now that I live in Europe, but it means I will not set foot on US soil, that I divest from US-based services, and that I don't buy American. I don't care how effective it is, because there is no anger behind it. It's just a thing I stopped doing, like some people stop drinking or eating meat. Those habits stick.
Cyph0n 1y ago
As an American, it is absolutely astounding how stupid of a move that was (in addition to tariffs on Canada). This is going to have long lasting repercussions for US-Canada relations, and for what exactly?

epolanski 1y ago

I have convinced some of my clients to move to European-based cloud offerings. I can't say I've moved millions yet, but we're in the order of tens of thousands per month staying in Europe rather than going to US.