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It won't work because of too many false positives. People are already trained to ignore warnings, like how they blindly accept T&C without reading.
by paradite 1y ago
It won't work because of too many false positives. People are already trained to ignore warnings, like how they blindly accept T&C without reading.
- godelski 1y agoThis is something laughable that Apple does. Anytime you install something from Github it'll make you click a few extra boxes. And their tightening down of things also ends up making people look for third party software in the first place. All this really does is, like you said, teach people to ignore warnings.
- Ldorigo 1y agoIs it possible to install stuff from GitHub on iOS? I thought it was completely impossible on apple devices.
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- jcdentonn 1y agoIt is, but you have to reinstall it every week.
- np1810 1y ago> It is, but you have to reinstall it every week. I'd greatly appreciate it if you can share the relevant link/repo for it?
- monegator 1y agoYou use sideloadly to install any ipa you want. If you don't have a developer account it will sign the application using a key with the validity of seven whole days! (instead if you have a developer account it will be valid one year, and don't forget to pay the 99€/year ransom)
- jerbear4328 1y agohttps://altstore.io https://altstore.io is the big one. You might want the AltStore fork SideStore (you can do the weekly reinstall without a computer, https://sidestore.io https://sidestore.io). Other tools exist, like https://sideloadly.io https://sideloadly.io and https://appdb.to https://appdb.to.
- zelphirkalt 1y agoGreat way to make users hate their own devices.
- jeffhuys 1y agoUnless: https://old.reddit.com/r/sideloaded/comments/1debdgh/guide_how_to_sideload_on_ios_without_expiry/ https://old.reddit.com/r/sideloaded/comments/1debdgh/guide_h...
- godelski 1y agoI was referring to OSX but if you didn't know there's a current European lawsuit going on about doing exactly this for iOS
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoThere was a workaround using an enterprise certificate, but I believe Apple stopped that for misuse of the enterprise program.
- IshKebab 1y agoThat's just their first step. They will remove the extra boxes eventually. They already removed option-click as a workaround.
- _Algernon_ 1y agoThe way we allow paternalistic tech companies to train the consumer to abdicate personal responsibility is going to bite us in the ass sooner or later. I'm betting on sooner.
- pishpash 1y agoThen make the false positives lower. The problem is they aren't incentivized to improve such features because, where's the money in that?
- artisin 1y agoIf a giant red warning saying 'THIS APP MAY BE MALWARE' doesn't stop someone, then they've either made an informed choice to proceed or it's willful negligence. In other words, users aren't 'trained' to ignore warnings; they're simply being willfully negligent.
- daemin 1y agoAs someone who is usually careful I too have found myself clicking past warnings and error notifications in recent times, mainly because I want to do something and the software is actively preventing me from doing that. It isn't negligence, it is just wanting to get something done and not having the time or the nerves to carefully read through and think about messages, dialogs, and screens. Back in the early days of the Internet there was the Joel Spolsky article on why users will always do anything to see the dancing bunnies.
- Gigachad 1y agoIt’s because on the other side of that warning is a cracked version of Spotify that removes the adverts. The user can’t make an informed choice because it’s literally impossible to audit the safety of the app or the author. So they will click passed any warnings, follow any number of steps to install the app that gives them something desirable for free.
- ajsnigrutin 1y agoSo what? Those same users can now install facebook, and facebook does this: https://medium.com/@ak123aryan/facebooks-hidden-android-tracking-a-new-loophole-exposed-a4d548bd5656 https://medium.com/@ak123aryan/facebooks-hidden-android-trac... And facebook is and will be verified in the future too.
- IshKebab 1y agoThe fact that you don't even realise why that wouldn't work is kind of telling. > users aren't being 'trained' to ignore warnings Of course they are. Every time they click "continue anyway" and it actually isn't malware (which is 99% of the time) they are being trained that the warning is nonsense. And they're right! What use is a warning that an app might be malware, if a) it actually isn't almost every time you see the warning, and b) you have no way of telling if it is or isn't anyway? I hate this move too and I don't think they should have done "just make the warning even bigger!" is obviously dumb.
- reddalo 1y agoMaybe they shouldn't offer a "OK" button that the stupid user can blindly click. They could tell you, "this app is dangerous, go to system settings to enabled" and a "Dismiss" button.
- eptcyka 1y agoLmao, that is literally how it worked.
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoI'll point to Windows Vista that went all in on this kind of security, even giving you a big warning if you tried to change your background. The computer magazines quickly published guides on how to change a slider or registry setting to reduce the amount of stupid warnings, and the people were quickly trained to ignore and just hit OK on these screens. Anyway, Apple already does this with unknown apps downloaded from the internet, you need to go to security settings and hit a button there.
- const_cast 1y agoThere aren't too many false positives, it's just that most modern android software is malware. Saying "this will steal your data" is probably correct. So what were actually asking users is to install some malware, if it's provided by a big enough tech company, but not other malware. Of course users get confused. Just stop downloading apps altogether and run the web views in the original web view - the web browser. Will Google, Meta et al. do that and abandon their apps? Of course not, they need to install malware.
- Thorrez 1y agoHow about requiring the user to type into a text box "App Foo might be malware. I want to install it anyways."? And disable copy and paste for that box.