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I get relentless text and phone spam calls - both robotic and with humans - from just a few voice over Internet platforms. Bandwidth.com, Neutral Tandem, and AL
by SilverElfin 1y ago
I get relentless text and phone spam calls - both robotic and with humans - from just a few voice over Internet platforms. Bandwidth.com, Neutral Tandem, and ALL the brands associated with Sinch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinch_AB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinch_AB) like Inteliquent. Many of these companies got cease and desist orders in the past from the FTC. It didn’t help anything. We need to see them fined, shut down, and executives jailed.
- reactordev 1y agoShut one down, another pops up in its place.
- homeonthemtn 1y agoOk shut that one down too.
- AnimalMuppet 1y agoShut that one down and jail the execs too. The number of people willing to take that chance is finite; it is more finite when the penalty is seen to be consistently applied.
- klipklop 1y agoNot if we actually put the people financing these companies in prison.
- SilverElfin 1y agoSinch just keeps acquiring one company after the other and turning them into the new spam channel. Weirdly the only responsible player seems to be Twilio. The others refuse to identify the spammers that are their customers, and keep saying it’s not their responsibility since they’re a “wholesaler” (their words).
- singpolyma3 1y agoTwilio has historically been a customer of these other companies, so not really at the same level. Though that's been changing recently
- 0xTJ 1y agoThis is why executives need to be held personally responsible when they direct a company to wilfully, blatantly, and repeatedly disregard laws to the detriment of society. These are people who should be in prison for a time, and barred from serving as an officer of a corporation for more time after that. Eventually people get the message; you don't get to break laws just because you hide behind the name of a company.
- idiotsecant 1y agoThose people are who the entire system is built to benefit. They won't be held accountable in most countries.
- BobaFloutist 1y ago"Limited Liability" should not mean "No Liability"
- mulmen 1y agoDeath to good, long live perfection!
- Linkd 1y agouhhh I use Bandwidth at high volume for non-spammy reasons in my app. Please give me a heads up before they're shut down :P
- singpolyma3 1y agoThese are all platforms with many different products built but others on top of them. Shutting down all abuse is a cat and mouse game and not something they can "just do" if given tighter rules
- coldpie 1y agoThis seems solvable. Put the person most closely traceable to the source of the spam in jail, like a form of KYC laws. If you can't identify the actual human who is causing you to put spam into the network, or that person is outside of your country's jurisdiction, then you are the one who goes to jail. If you don't want to go to jail, then don't accept calls from someone you can't point the finger at.
- singpolyma3 1y agoSo someone goes to the store and buys a phone and sends a spam sms with it. Put the store operator in prison???
- immibis 1y agoThis is how Germany deals with torrent piracy. The net effect is that it was illegal to run a public WiFi hotspot until a special exemption was made for it. In 2017.
- charliebwrites 1y agoHow would one discover which VOIP providers are the source of calls?
- Evidlo 1y agoI wrote a little tool which can do lookups: https://github.com/evidlo/nanpa_lookup https://github.com/evidlo/nanpa_lookup There's no free source of this information anywhere. The only affordable option is telcodata.us
- throwitawayfam 1y agoWhat do you do when these lookups return the company that owns the number but the company says that they are not in control of the number? E.g, I have one number that keeps harassing me that reports as Verizon but Verizon says they have not been with Verizon since 2024. Also great tool, thank you
- Evidlo 1y agoTry searching directly on telcodata.us: https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-detail https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-detail
- paulv 1y agoDid you get the data in the db from telcodata.us?
- Evidlo 1y agoYes, but its 3 years old and slightly stripped down.
- hnuser123456 1y agoJust hack into SS7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVyu7NB7W6Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVyu7NB7W6Y
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- edm0nd 1y agoOnvoy VOIP numbers are rife with scammers using them (Sinch). Really sad how these rules do nothing to stop them
- monksy 1y agoGoogle voice does operate on bandwidth.com btw.
- Spooky23 1y ago[flagged]
- Timwi 1y ago> We need to see them fined, shut down, and executives jailed. Is that what European countries do? Is that why there are no robocalls there?
- tgsovlerkhgsel 1y agoIt may be less bad than some of the stories I heard from the US but it's still enough to never pick up the phone unless you're expecting a call.
- donmcronald 1y agoI'm not positive, but i think they charge an astronomical amount for calls that don't originate from a local calling prefix. Of course you can get those, but some countries require ID. Mainly I know that calling from a voip number was really expensive when I tried to set something up for a family member going on vacation to Europe. That probably cuts back on a lot of spam calls.
- ruszki 1y agoI don't know how it is with companies, but there are countries where you can have subscriptions which allows you to call any EU numbers without a surcharge. And what I saw weren't even that expensive, around 50 euros/month.