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Tesla insiders have sold more than 50% of their shares in the last year
- patchtopic 1y agosince space joffrey only owns about 12% of the shares, the other shareholders should vote the clown out..
- nativeit 1y agoWell, sadly, Space Cersei owns another good chunk, and Space Jaime has a bunch, then Space Reek is surprisingly well-endowed, and Space Baelish is probably somewhere in the mix. All of whom sit on the Space Iron Council, and advise Space Joffrey about what dank memes they should focus on during the upcoming Space Tourney, where they will be testing new Space Fire Water to use on the Walkers approaching the Space Mexican Border. At least, until the Master of Tired Analogies signals the end of festivities by beating a dead Space Horse.
- blinkbat 1y agogood :-]
- amanaplanacanal 1y agoIt makes sense. If you are overweighted in one company, especially one with a bit of a rocky future, it's time to diversify.
- Ericson2314 1y agoOur car industry has been told to get its shit together and failed or not even tried so many times. It's times to just let in BYD for a few years and just slaughter all the incumbents. I don't care what we do after that. But a bloody reckoning is sorely needed.
- FridayoLeary 1y agoIt's happening already. The affordable car market is being increasingly neglected. Ford has abandoned their best selling focus and fiesta models and are chasing a more premium market. Expect soulless Chinese models to fill in the gaps.
- hron749 1y ago> Expect soulless Chinese models to fill in the gaps. What’s wrong with soulless Chinese $20k crossover/compact SUVs? White, gray, and black $40-100k Mercedes, Porsche Cayennes, and Cadillac Escalades are equally soulless.
- theLiminator 1y ago> Expect soulless Chinese models to fill in the gaps. As opposed to the soulful American models?
- hron749 1y ago> As opposed to the soulful American models? he thinks Teslas have soul … the soul of Elon
- kelseyfrog 1y agoEach Tesla, a horcrux.
- nine_k 1y agoWhen Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi, Hyundai, KIA, etc came, and Detroit turned into a zombie city, did it help? Well, I can admit that Ford learned from Honda quite a bit, which could be readily seen in their Focus line. Is it their fault that consumers stubbornly want the likes of F-150 or Chevy Suburban, which are not even proper cars?
- lucidone 1y agoIt helped consumers a lot.
- helloooooooo 1y agoWhy is consumerism the metric here, and not general societal health?
- Ericson2314 1y agoCars are bad, but there are far more people driving a car than working in the automobile industry. The former has a better claim to societal health than the latter.
- mlrtime 1y agoCars are not "bad", and there are far more people driving than taking public transportation. Most of them prefer it.
- nine_k 1y agoCars are good in some circumstances, mass transit, in other circumstances. One size does not fit all. Small, inexpensive cars would also be good in some circumstances, but the US auto industry, for some reason, struggles to offer something as compact as Honda Fit, or at least something as reliable as Toyota Corolla.
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- FridayoLeary 1y agoI was always mystified about the value of Tesla stocks. The pe is still absurdly high and the market cap is bigger then probably all the big manufacturers combined. It's obvious that people are investing in musk as a person. But there has to be a correction sooner or later. Tesla has value as a car company, but their first mover advantage is dwindling. Add to that musks politics and it's not surprising that the executives are reading the writing on the wall.
- foobarian 1y agoHe's been quiet lately, wonder if he's off quietly building a revenge party
- ec109685 1y agoHe gave up on that: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-political-party-jd-vance-2028-b2811019.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- apwell23 1y agohow do these ppl have so much energy. I am in early 40s and i feel like chilling whenever i can.
- 20after4 1y agoDrugs, most likely.
- sumedh 1y agoMotivation to get more power and money.
- marcosdumay 1y agoThey don't actually work.
- danielheath 1y agoPerhaps that’d be different if you could afford to have a team of doctors monitor your bloodwork etc and adjust medication to maintain energy, a personal chef consulting with them to ensure your meals help that, stylists to pick out tailored clothes for each occasion, regular massage, personal training, etc. They’re a different kind of rich that those who merely have a spare 30 million or so.
- Arubis 1y agoIt’s a liability on most index funds. I’m too lazy to manage active trading and shorting but would buy an ETF that tracks the S&P 500 minus TSLA.
- the__alchemist 1y agoThis is why I care. I've been putting less into the Vanguard 500, and more into my own diverse individual stock picks... I want the S&P or similar, but without a few specific stocks like this one.
- hibikir 1y agoThere's a few companies doing direct indexing like this, where you can give them a ban list for any given index: You can, say, also take out Microstrategy or something like that. Now, as to whether those companies will remain solvent long enough, will give you simple enough taxes, and can keep expenses low while rebalancing is another story. You are doing frontier-ish things. It's not as if you have Vanguard or Fidelity offering products like that.
- RhysU 1y agoFidelity offers such a product: https://www.fidelity.com/direct-indexing/overview https://www.fidelity.com/direct-indexing/overview > If there's a security you don't want to own, you can remove it. Dunno about Vanguard.
- throw0101c 1y ago> This is why I care. I've been putting less into the Vanguard 500, and more into my own diverse individual stock picks... There are equal weight funds: in the US see perhaps $RSP. Vanguard article on the topic: > There are numerous considerations when selecting an equity index exposure, including the choice between market-cap or equal-weighted methodologies. * https://www.vanguard.co.uk/professional/insights-education/insights/what-to-consider-when-choosing-between-index-weighting-approaches https://www.vanguard.co.uk/professional/insights-education/i...
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- dvt 1y agoTesla has been over-bought for years and everyone knows it, but as Keynes once said: the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. My strategy has just been to stay away. TSLA could blow up in the next 6 months, or it could go up for the next 6 years. To me, at least, it's not worth f'ing around and finding out, especially when the market as a whole is doing so well.
- wnevets 1y ago> but as Keynes once said: the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. My strategy has just been to stay away To take it a step a further, you cannot reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.
- clickety_clack 1y agoAnd “bonds are math, stocks are stories”.
- DougN7 1y agoOooh, I like that one! Thanks for sharing it.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoYou forget it can stay flat. Butterfly option otherwise.
- jsbisviewtiful 1y ago> especially when the market as a whole is doing so well. … is it? There was some news maybe within the last month saying only the top 15 or so of s&p companies were the only companies showing healthy growth and everything else below that has barely any growth, is losing value or is stagnant.
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- milchek 1y agoThis is a genuine question, because the discussion here is centered around cars, but is Tesla not just a car company? Aren’t they trying to position themselves in robotics? I figured that’s where the pricing comes from - a mix of people betting on cars + robotics, and an automated robotic workforce + AI being the future of industrial and maybe even retail labour?
- cm2187 1y agoIt can be all of that, and be a meme stock on top of that.
- CivBase 1y agoAre they a car company? A software company? An AI company? A robotics company? They seem to switch identies a lot and it makes them come across to me as a jack of all trades.
- ies7 1y agoI was told their from selling "carbon forgiveness/tax" to other ICE company is higher than their revenue from selling cars
- forgotTheLast 1y agoThat was true for a few years but now it's about a fifth of their revenue.
- root_axis 1y agoWell cars are what they sell, so I think that's a reasonable way to regard the company. All the other stuff doesn't have much substance behind it.
- oskarkk 1y agoI think a big part of the valuation is self driving. If (and that's a big if) they would get it right, they could have cheaper taxi services than e.g. Uber ($200B market cap), without paying for drivers. And if self driving would work in consumer cars, profits from subscriptions could be big.
- gwbas1c 1y agoI got out when Elon Musk fired the whole Supercharger team. That was roughly a year after the entire North American Auto industry standardized on the Supercharger standard, the Supercharger Network opened to non-tesla cars, and they were poised to expand. The rational thing to do if Elon Musk didn't want to be in the charging business would be to spin out the Supercharger Network as a different company. Instead, he fired the entire team over a petty argument. That was the first clear case of mismanagement that I saw.
- oskarkk 1y agoSince that happened (a year ago) the Supercharger network grew from 6473 to 7377 stations, and from 59596 to 70228 connectors (numbers from Q2 2025 earnings release), so it's not like they stopped expanding the network after that layoff.
- nativeit 1y agoI suppose if growth is all that matters, that's probably good news. It's probably worth mentioning a good chunk of those will have been the ongoing projects with current stock. On the other hand, if long-term maintenance and optimizations for this absolutely critical new infrastructure are even a little bit of a priority? Then it's still unlikely the "smart" move to eliminate the entire department. Also carrying around suitcases full of designer drugs is maybe a bad sign for CEO, staying up all night playing video games, and working--charitably speaking--"part time" are all rather uninspiring choices...
- gwbas1c 1y agoThey rehired the team. Basically, when Tesla's stock started to dip, he went on a cost-cutting rampage. The head of Superchargers made a proposal to grow, and Elon got angry and fired the whole team. It's one of those moments where, if Elon got angry, and then waited to cool off before doing anything rash, it would have been forgivable.
- pfannkuchen 1y agoAs a user I do feel like the supercharger network could be a lot better than it is. Is it possible that some internal goals were missed in a big way? Also I guess I assumed they hired a new team. Did they not?
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- thisisit 1y agoFor years Tesla had been over promising and under delivering. It had to catch up sooner or later. I believe the flashpoint might have been the Tesla Cybertruck launch. These insiders should have knowledge about the issues and sales figures for the Cybertruck.
- alfor 1y agoGo ahead and short Tesla. Electret has been an anti Tesla machine for years, it used to be mostly positive and at a some point it flipped very hard. I would guess they it's a vendetta or they get paid by someone to spew misinformation. In this case can you imagine the pressure on a high executive with lot's of share with the recent drama around the elections, Trump, Epstein, etc. Again, Elon stand alone in his dedication. I think it's very hard to put a price on Tsla at the moment with FSD getting ready, I just did a family road trip with my (old HW3) Tesla from Montréal to Manhattan it was almost flawless, way safer than if I drove myself. What is the value of that? What is the value of that system in highway trucks that drive all day?
- LightBug1 1y agoI think they had almost infinite first mover advantage with the model S (the only car they've ever got completely right)... They / he squandered it all ... and now we'll witness the long, slow decline as they get (and are already being) trounced both in design language and technical capability.