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no one is injecting muffins, or tuna fish

actionfromafar 1y ago
Hey, don't knock it til you try it.
mingus88 1y ago
And nobody is eating vaccines. You might be wondering what kind of nonsense I am spouting off. I’m wondering the same thing about these anti-vax arguments.
- barbacoa 1y ago
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  - oblio 1y ago
    Do you have proof "public trust in health institutions is crumbling"? Fairly sure the fact that for example, the US doesn't have universal healthcare, is considered a tragedy by many people, which would point in the exact opposite direction.
    - barbacoa 1y ago
      Trump appointing RFK due to popular demand from his base even though Trump previously never expressed any of those views.
      - oblio 1y ago
        > Trump appointing RFK due to popular demand from his base even though Trump previously never expressed any of those views. Trump? Ivermectin Trump? Bleach Trump?
        kcplate 1y ago
        Are either of those two things anti-vax?
        oblio 1y ago
        They're anti science and I'm also fairly sure that despite Trump hypocritically getting every COVID vaccine ASAP for himself and his family, he's been at best ambiguous about vaccines publicly (pandering to his "freedom" base) and has peddled pseudo medicine a bunch of times.
        kcplate 1y ago
        I write all of this as a fully vaccinated person who never voted for Trump… You really need to look at the timeline here. Operation Warp Speed was a Trump program that fast tracked the Covid vaccine development and their “emergency use” approval. The vaccines were not even available to the public until 5 weeks before Biden was sworn in. VP Harris in an interview prior to the election suggested that should would be skeptical of “Trumps Vaccines” and that the American people should be as well. When Trump was talking about those alternative treatments it was way before the vaccines were available. Those things were not necessarily “pseudoscience” at the time because scientists were actively testing many different treatment therapies because the vaccines were not yet available. Those were definitely some treatments that was being tested and experimented with by numerous doctors and scientists becuase the medical establishment was desperate for an effective treatment. Certainly the idiot Fauci had his opinions, but we now know that many of Fauci’s recommendations were utter bullshit that was not grounded in science either. But back to your characterization of “hypocrisy”. Is it hypocrisy to simply “not force someone to get an experimental vaccine but get one yourself”? Seems to me “hypocrisy” might be better illustrated by downplaying the development of a vaccine and expressing and encouraging skepticism publicly of it just because your political opponent is associated with it? THEN…adopting that same vaccine you decried and forcing people to get it. That’s a better example of hypocrisy than just saying “I am getting it, but you do you”.
        1y ago
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  - sleeplessdays 1y ago
    > It collapses a wide spectrum of positions into a single stigmatizing category. Great summary of the discourse on this post. Any critique, no matter how minor, marks you as a heretic. It's no wonder we can't get anything important done these days.
  - UncleMeat 1y ago
    There is no chance that if people used a different word that feelings would be different. This is just a way of taking agency away from the people who are actively promoting belief systems that create mountains of corpses.
- ponector 1y ago
  >>And nobody is eating vaccines. Wrong. There are oral vaccines, like polio. However the taste of it is disgusting.
  - tialaramex 1y ago
    OPV is ordinarily given on a sugar cube. I'm an old man so that's how I got mine and while I'm a fussy person I don't remember it tasting significantly different from an ordinary sugar cube. I mean, I guess the growth medium the virus actually lives in (OPV is an attenuated virus, so it's actually polio, which is why the industrialized North which eradicated polio no longer uses this, too risky) probably tastes nasty but you're not supposed to be drinking growth medium, just get a dab on a sugar cube or something.

Hey, don't knock it til you try it.

And nobody is eating vaccines. You might be wondering what kind of nonsense I am spouting off. I’m wondering the same thing about these anti-vax arguments.

barbacoa 1y ago
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- oblio 1y ago
  Do you have proof "public trust in health institutions is crumbling"? Fairly sure the fact that for example, the US doesn't have universal healthcare, is considered a tragedy by many people, which would point in the exact opposite direction.
  - barbacoa 1y ago
    Trump appointing RFK due to popular demand from his base even though Trump previously never expressed any of those views.
    - oblio 1y ago
      > Trump appointing RFK due to popular demand from his base even though Trump previously never expressed any of those views. Trump? Ivermectin Trump? Bleach Trump?
      - kcplate 1y ago
        Are either of those two things anti-vax?
        oblio 1y ago
        They're anti science and I'm also fairly sure that despite Trump hypocritically getting every COVID vaccine ASAP for himself and his family, he's been at best ambiguous about vaccines publicly (pandering to his "freedom" base) and has peddled pseudo medicine a bunch of times.
        kcplate 1y ago
        I write all of this as a fully vaccinated person who never voted for Trump… You really need to look at the timeline here. Operation Warp Speed was a Trump program that fast tracked the Covid vaccine development and their “emergency use” approval. The vaccines were not even available to the public until 5 weeks before Biden was sworn in. VP Harris in an interview prior to the election suggested that should would be skeptical of “Trumps Vaccines” and that the American people should be as well. When Trump was talking about those alternative treatments it was way before the vaccines were available. Those things were not necessarily “pseudoscience” at the time because scientists were actively testing many different treatment therapies because the vaccines were not yet available. Those were definitely some treatments that was being tested and experimented with by numerous doctors and scientists becuase the medical establishment was desperate for an effective treatment. Certainly the idiot Fauci had his opinions, but we now know that many of Fauci’s recommendations were utter bullshit that was not grounded in science either. But back to your characterization of “hypocrisy”. Is it hypocrisy to simply “not force someone to get an experimental vaccine but get one yourself”? Seems to me “hypocrisy” might be better illustrated by downplaying the development of a vaccine and expressing and encouraging skepticism publicly of it just because your political opponent is associated with it? THEN…adopting that same vaccine you decried and forcing people to get it. That’s a better example of hypocrisy than just saying “I am getting it, but you do you”.
        1y ago
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- sleeplessdays 1y ago
  > It collapses a wide spectrum of positions into a single stigmatizing category. Great summary of the discourse on this post. Any critique, no matter how minor, marks you as a heretic. It's no wonder we can't get anything important done these days.
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  There is no chance that if people used a different word that feelings would be different. This is just a way of taking agency away from the people who are actively promoting belief systems that create mountains of corpses.
ponector 1y ago
>>And nobody is eating vaccines. Wrong. There are oral vaccines, like polio. However the taste of it is disgusting.
- tialaramex 1y ago
  OPV is ordinarily given on a sugar cube. I'm an old man so that's how I got mine and while I'm a fussy person I don't remember it tasting significantly different from an ordinary sugar cube. I mean, I guess the growth medium the virus actually lives in (OPV is an attenuated virus, so it's actually polio, which is why the industrialized North which eradicated polio no longer uses this, too risky) probably tastes nasty but you're not supposed to be drinking growth medium, just get a dab on a sugar cube or something.