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10X more aluminum in a muffin than a vaccine. Just like there is more mercury in a can off of solid tuna than there is in vaccine. Amount of disinformation aro

by adrr 1y ago

10X more aluminum in a muffin than a vaccine. Just like there is more mercury in a can off of solid tuna than there is in vaccine. Amount of disinformation around vaccines is staggering. Vaccines change your DNA etc. You know what permanently changes your DNA which can increases your cancer risk? Viral infections like HPV.

0ckpuppet 1y ago
no one is injecting muffins, or tuna fish
- actionfromafar 1y ago
  Hey, don't knock it til you try it.
- mingus88 1y ago
  And nobody is eating vaccines. You might be wondering what kind of nonsense I am spouting off. I’m wondering the same thing about these anti-vax arguments.
  - barbacoa 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - oblio 1y ago
      Do you have proof "public trust in health institutions is crumbling"? Fairly sure the fact that for example, the US doesn't have universal healthcare, is considered a tragedy by many people, which would point in the exact opposite direction.
      - barbacoa 1y ago
        Trump appointing RFK due to popular demand from his base even though Trump previously never expressed any of those views.
        oblio 1y ago
        > Trump appointing RFK due to popular demand from his base even though Trump previously never expressed any of those views. Trump? Ivermectin Trump? Bleach Trump?
        kcplate 1y ago
        Are either of those two things anti-vax?
        oblio 1y ago
        They're anti science and I'm also fairly sure that despite Trump hypocritically getting every COVID vaccine ASAP for himself and his family, he's been at best ambiguous about vaccines publicly (pandering to his "freedom" base) and has peddled pseudo medicine a bunch of times.
        kcplate 1y ago
        I write all of this as a fully vaccinated person who never voted for Trump… You really need to look at the timeline here. Operation Warp Speed was a Trump program that fast tracked the Covid vaccine development and their “emergency use” approval. The vaccines were not even available to the public until 5 weeks before Biden was sworn in. VP Harris in an interview prior to the election suggested that should would be skeptical of “Trumps Vaccines” and that the American people should be as well. When Trump was talking about those alternative treatments it was way before the vaccines were available. Those things were not necessarily “pseudoscience” at the time because scientists were actively testing many different treatment therapies because the vaccines were not yet available. Those were definitely some treatments that was being tested and experimented with by numerous doctors and scientists becuase the medical establishment was desperate for an effective treatment. Certainly the idiot Fauci had his opinions, but we now know that many of Fauci’s recommendations were utter bullshit that was not grounded in science either. But back to your characterization of “hypocrisy”. Is it hypocrisy to simply “not force someone to get an experimental vaccine but get one yourself”? Seems to me “hypocrisy” might be better illustrated by downplaying the development of a vaccine and expressing and encouraging skepticism publicly of it just because your political opponent is associated with it? THEN…adopting that same vaccine you decried and forcing people to get it. That’s a better example of hypocrisy than just saying “I am getting it, but you do you”.
    - sleeplessdays 1y ago
      > It collapses a wide spectrum of positions into a single stigmatizing category. Great summary of the discourse on this post. Any critique, no matter how minor, marks you as a heretic. It's no wonder we can't get anything important done these days.
    - UncleMeat 1y ago
      There is no chance that if people used a different word that feelings would be different. This is just a way of taking agency away from the people who are actively promoting belief systems that create mountains of corpses.
  - ponector 1y ago
    >>And nobody is eating vaccines. Wrong. There are oral vaccines, like polio. However the taste of it is disgusting.
    - tialaramex 1y ago
      OPV is ordinarily given on a sugar cube. I'm an old man so that's how I got mine and while I'm a fussy person I don't remember it tasting significantly different from an ordinary sugar cube. I mean, I guess the growth medium the virus actually lives in (OPV is an attenuated virus, so it's actually polio, which is why the industrialized North which eradicated polio no longer uses this, too risky) probably tastes nasty but you're not supposed to be drinking growth medium, just get a dab on a sugar cube or something.
actionfromafar 1y ago
You're forgetting about the 5G chips used to make you a gay liberal. Yes, people believe this.
- RealStickman_ 1y ago
  I need to get more vaccines, my reception is still terrible in many situations.
- ponector 1y ago
  Aren't there more gay liberals than ever? /s
  - kcplate 1y ago
    Well…there is more 5G in my area, but it’s still voting consistently red. Although, there is a lovely gay couple new to my neighborhood.
lithocarpus 1y ago
Disclaimer: I'm not claiming injecting aluminum is dangerous, but I must address this argument that we get way more from food than injections and the claim that what is injected quickly leaves the body. I've seen these arguments often but can't find solid basis for them. It's a false equivalency to compare an amount of a substance eaten vs injected. Injected substances can get to places in the body and in different quantities than substances eaten. There are different forms of aluminum, with different absorption rates, and different potential behaviors in the body. Here's a study of aluminum accumulation in rodents after injection: https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-11-99 https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-... I don't think there are any studies showing that aluminum doesn't accumulate or remain in the body long after injection - while I've found ~5 studies indicating that it does. Doesn't mean it's dangerous, just that some amount of it does stick around long term and it is not clear to me that it's a drop in the bucket compared to the aluminum we eat. We also eat a lot more aluminum than people used to before the industrial revolution. The amounts of aluminum we eat now could be mildly harmful too - I don't know about that. Below is the math on amount of aluminum that a normal baby ingests vs gets injected. I got a result that a baby's first year they get between 2x to 65x as much aluminum in their blood from injections vs from feeding. A baby drinking breast milk (250L in the first year) would get 250 * 40µg = 10mg of aluminum in their first year from breast milk. A baby eats around 300000 calories in their first year, which leaves 120000 not from breast milk. At a rate of 8mg of aluminum per 2300 calories this would be another 416mg of aluminum from food for a total of 426mg. The absorption rate into the bloodstream of that aluminum would vary between ~0.01% (for aluminum hydroxide) to ~0.3% (for aluminum citrate), so they would get 0.04mg to 1.3mg of aluminum in their blood across the first year from ingestion. Compared to 0.125mg to 0.85mg per dose of vaccine. They get around 10 doses of vaccines containing aluminum in the first year, for around ~2.6mg of aluminum total, but 100% of that is absorbed since it's injected. So the amount that gets into the blood during the first year from vaccination is somewhere from 2 to 65 times the amount a baby would get in their blood from eating/drinking. I could be wrong on this logic or math somewhere, and welcome being corrected. Another aspect of this is that the injected aluminum adjuvant comes in big (relative to ingestion) sudden doses with the intent to trigger a significant immune response to the antigen. That could affect the body differently than a gradual very small daily dose. Again, not claiming that injecting aluminum is dangerous, but it seems to me babies could be getting far more persistent aluminum in their bodies from injections than from food, and as far as I know this has not undergone a long term study showing that it's safe. Almost all vaccine studies have aluminum injected in both arms of the study, and I haven't found a single aluminum vs placebo study - please share if you have one.

by adrr 1y ago

0ckpuppet 1y ago

no one is injecting muffins, or tuna fish

actionfromafar 1y ago
Hey, don't knock it til you try it.
mingus88 1y ago
And nobody is eating vaccines. You might be wondering what kind of nonsense I am spouting off. I’m wondering the same thing about these anti-vax arguments.
- barbacoa 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - oblio 1y ago
    Do you have proof "public trust in health institutions is crumbling"? Fairly sure the fact that for example, the US doesn't have universal healthcare, is considered a tragedy by many people, which would point in the exact opposite direction.
    - barbacoa 1y ago
      Trump appointing RFK due to popular demand from his base even though Trump previously never expressed any of those views.
      - oblio 1y ago
        > Trump appointing RFK due to popular demand from his base even though Trump previously never expressed any of those views. Trump? Ivermectin Trump? Bleach Trump?
        kcplate 1y ago
        Are either of those two things anti-vax?
        oblio 1y ago
        They're anti science and I'm also fairly sure that despite Trump hypocritically getting every COVID vaccine ASAP for himself and his family, he's been at best ambiguous about vaccines publicly (pandering to his "freedom" base) and has peddled pseudo medicine a bunch of times.
        kcplate 1y ago
        I write all of this as a fully vaccinated person who never voted for Trump… You really need to look at the timeline here. Operation Warp Speed was a Trump program that fast tracked the Covid vaccine development and their “emergency use” approval. The vaccines were not even available to the public until 5 weeks before Biden was sworn in. VP Harris in an interview prior to the election suggested that should would be skeptical of “Trumps Vaccines” and that the American people should be as well. When Trump was talking about those alternative treatments it was way before the vaccines were available. Those things were not necessarily “pseudoscience” at the time because scientists were actively testing many different treatment therapies because the vaccines were not yet available. Those were definitely some treatments that was being tested and experimented with by numerous doctors and scientists becuase the medical establishment was desperate for an effective treatment. Certainly the idiot Fauci had his opinions, but we now know that many of Fauci’s recommendations were utter bullshit that was not grounded in science either. But back to your characterization of “hypocrisy”. Is it hypocrisy to simply “not force someone to get an experimental vaccine but get one yourself”? Seems to me “hypocrisy” might be better illustrated by downplaying the development of a vaccine and expressing and encouraging skepticism publicly of it just because your political opponent is associated with it? THEN…adopting that same vaccine you decried and forcing people to get it. That’s a better example of hypocrisy than just saying “I am getting it, but you do you”.
  - sleeplessdays 1y ago
    > It collapses a wide spectrum of positions into a single stigmatizing category. Great summary of the discourse on this post. Any critique, no matter how minor, marks you as a heretic. It's no wonder we can't get anything important done these days.
  - UncleMeat 1y ago
    There is no chance that if people used a different word that feelings would be different. This is just a way of taking agency away from the people who are actively promoting belief systems that create mountains of corpses.
- ponector 1y ago
  >>And nobody is eating vaccines. Wrong. There are oral vaccines, like polio. However the taste of it is disgusting.
  - tialaramex 1y ago
    OPV is ordinarily given on a sugar cube. I'm an old man so that's how I got mine and while I'm a fussy person I don't remember it tasting significantly different from an ordinary sugar cube. I mean, I guess the growth medium the virus actually lives in (OPV is an attenuated virus, so it's actually polio, which is why the industrialized North which eradicated polio no longer uses this, too risky) probably tastes nasty but you're not supposed to be drinking growth medium, just get a dab on a sugar cube or something.

actionfromafar 1y ago

You're forgetting about the 5G chips used to make you a gay liberal. Yes, people believe this.

RealStickman_ 1y ago
I need to get more vaccines, my reception is still terrible in many situations.
ponector 1y ago
Aren't there more gay liberals than ever? /s
- kcplate 1y ago
  Well…there is more 5G in my area, but it’s still voting consistently red. Although, there is a lovely gay couple new to my neighborhood.

lithocarpus 1y ago

Disclaimer: I'm not claiming injecting aluminum is dangerous, but I must address this argument that we get way more from food than injections and the claim that what is injected quickly leaves the body. I've seen these arguments often but can't find solid basis for them. It's a false equivalency to compare an amount of a substance eaten vs injected. Injected substances can get to places in the body and in different quantities than substances eaten. There are different forms of aluminum, with different absorption rates, and different potential behaviors in the body. Here's a study of aluminum accumulation in rodents after injection: https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-11-99 https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-... I don't think there are any studies showing that aluminum doesn't accumulate or remain in the body long after injection - while I've found ~5 studies indicating that it does. Doesn't mean it's dangerous, just that some amount of it does stick around long term and it is not clear to me that it's a drop in the bucket compared to the aluminum we eat. We also eat a lot more aluminum than people used to before the industrial revolution. The amounts of aluminum we eat now could be mildly harmful too - I don't know about that. Below is the math on amount of aluminum that a normal baby ingests vs gets injected. I got a result that a baby's first year they get between 2x to 65x as much aluminum in their blood from injections vs from feeding. A baby drinking breast milk (250L in the first year) would get 250 * 40µg = 10mg of aluminum in their first year from breast milk. A baby eats around 300000 calories in their first year, which leaves 120000 not from breast milk. At a rate of 8mg of aluminum per 2300 calories this would be another 416mg of aluminum from food for a total of 426mg. The absorption rate into the bloodstream of that aluminum would vary between ~0.01% (for aluminum hydroxide) to ~0.3% (for aluminum citrate), so they would get 0.04mg to 1.3mg of aluminum in their blood across the first year from ingestion. Compared to 0.125mg to 0.85mg per dose of vaccine. They get around 10 doses of vaccines containing aluminum in the first year, for around ~2.6mg of aluminum total, but 100% of that is absorbed since it's injected. So the amount that gets into the blood during the first year from vaccination is somewhere from 2 to 65 times the amount a baby would get in their blood from eating/drinking. I could be wrong on this logic or math somewhere, and welcome being corrected. Another aspect of this is that the injected aluminum adjuvant comes in big (relative to ingestion) sudden doses with the intent to trigger a significant immune response to the antigen. That could affect the body differently than a gradual very small daily dose. Again, not claiming that injecting aluminum is dangerous, but it seems to me babies could be getting far more persistent aluminum in their bodies from injections than from food, and as far as I know this has not undergone a long term study showing that it's safe. Almost all vaccine studies have aluminum injected in both arms of the study, and I haven't found a single aluminum vs placebo study - please share if you have one.