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Cool take. Shitting on the south is an age old American tradition. I have a hard time understanding why people gleefully have these attitudes towards fellow hum

Cool take. Shitting on the south is an age old American tradition. I have a hard time understanding why people gleefully have these attitudes towards fellow human beings. Does someone from Mississippi not deserve factual actual push back against these laws? If we can't fight it there, it'll be in Connecticut soon enough.

TylerE 1y ago
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- jrockway 1y ago
  What about the people that didn't vote for this? Every election is 49/51 so when someone says "they're getting what they voted for", half the people are getting the opposite of what they voted for.
  - curtisf 1y ago
    "The Walker Montgomery Protecting Children Online Act" ("HB 1126") was passed essentially unanimously by the Mississippi state legislature.
    - sojournerc 1y ago
      Elected legislature. You haven't proven anything against their point that a minority is unrepresented.
    - davesque 1y ago
      And 100% of voters in Mississippi voted for the representatives currently in the legislature?
  - TylerE 1y ago
    It wasn't close to 51/49. The south doesn't work like that. I've lived here my whole life. In 2024 Mississippi went 61/38 for Trump. They haven't sent a Democrat senator to DC since 1982. In their most recent state house/senate cycle, 2023, overall voting was 62R vs 34D. They voted for this.
    - jjj123 1y ago
      OPs point wasn’t about the exact stats, it’s just that there is a significant percentage of people in a state that don’t agree or support their government. I’d consider 38% significant.
      - TylerE 1y ago
        In 1980, when Ronald Reagan took 44 of 50 states, Jimmy Carter took 41% of the vote. In electoral terms a party taking 38% of the vote is almost a non-entity. You don't come close to succeeding in a first past the post system with those numbers.
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    - sojournerc 1y ago
      "here", yet you say "they"... What's that about?
      - TylerE 1y ago
        I live in the south, but not in Mississippi.
- gottorf 1y ago
  > get them to stop actively voting against their own interests Such a tired trope that I wish would stop. The whole point of a plural democracy is that people will have different interests, and there are few things that rub me the wrong way more than the idea that people are too stupid to recognize what their own interests are and vote accordingly.
  - TylerE 1y ago
    What do call it when they repeatedly vote to slash the health care programs that almost half the state relies on for coverage? For candidates that defund education and basic infrastructure investment? It is objectively against rational self-interest.
    - oooyay 1y ago
      While I share your frustration can I also share with you that I think your original take is entirely dim-witted and ignorant that populations are not singular voting blocs? That's to say, I lived in Texas for a long time as a leftist and people like you would come in to dunk on our suffering. Nearly half the state votes Democrat but that didn't matter to folks like you. It's unproductive and isolates more people than it gratifies.
      - JustExAWS 1y ago
        There is a huge difference between accepting someone’s opinion about supply side economics or US foreign policy or heck even abortion rights than “understanding” someone who doesn’t believe that people shouldn’t be treated equally and with respect because of the color of their skin, their sexuality, etc. I’m from South GA and spent all of my adult life until 3 years ago in Atlanta. I live in another red state now - Florida. I’ve spent enough time in the bigger cities in Texas to have a feel for it. Alabama and Mississippi are just…different.
        gottorf 1y ago
        > “understanding” someone who doesn’t believe that people shouldn’t be treated equally and with respect because of the color of their skin, their sexuality, etc. Can you steelman the culturally conservative viewpoint? I find this to be a big blind spot in today's progressive thinkers; i.e. it's hard for someone in that camp to explain why anyone would have voted for Trump, without dipping into the "they know not what they're voting for" or "they're just ignorant, racist, and hateful" buckets. > Alabama and Mississippi are just…different. I'm a visibly nonwhite immigrant who moved to one of those "different" states from a large coastal metro. I'm not treated any worse or differently in society. Perhaps the biggest disparity I've noticed is that the Old South still believes that it's good for society for people of various backgrounds to assimilate to one central culture, whereas the more cosmopolitan metros seem to have declared assimilation as an imposition on minority groups. I believe the former to be the correct position, and closer to the original "liberal" belief that anybody, no matter what they look like, will be treated equally as long as they are willing to play by the same rules. The latter viewpoint to me is very much like "separate but equal"; no one cultural group has any say over another, and there is not one standard set of behaviors that everyone is expected to conform to, because differences are valued over unity. It has been fascinating to see, as someone with an outsider's background, the realignment of political thought over the past decade or two.
ronsor 1y ago
I read the comment more as a criticism of Bluesky ("nobody actually uses it [except California liberals?]") than a criticism of Mississippi.
none_to_remain 1y ago
You could very well read that as praise for Mississippi
LexiMax 1y ago
Hating on Mississippi is an age-old Southern tradition. Unless you're from Mississippi, then you hate on Alabama.
- RajT88 1y ago
  By any number of metrics, Mississippi is the least developed, most backwater state. My own personal metrics: Everyone's got that once racist uncle. Mine moved gleefully to Alabama. I have never known anyone who moved to Mississippi. Or from there! I bet MS has some amazing old homes out in the swamp with great fishing.
  - greenie_beans 1y ago
    you're probably from a place that is just as racist and backward as mississippi. maybe new england, the most racist region in the united states? if you feel this way about the south, just say you hate black people and be done with it.
    - RajT88 1y ago
      Blue as they come (Illinois). And on the contrary, I reckon Ohio is far more racist than just about any place I've been. Black folks are just fine by me. Maybe you are trying to read between the lines instead of what I wrote?
      - greenie_beans 1y ago
        no, what you say is a common (ignorant) refrain in liberal circles outside of the south
renewiltord 1y ago
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- arghandugh 1y ago
  Your writing is confusing and your use of slurs is disgusting. Stop it.
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MisterBastahrd 1y ago
When you consistently shoot yourself in the face despite all evidence because you believe it'll make you wiser, at some point rational people just need to point out that maybe you've blown your own head off too many times to make intelligent decisions and accept your agency for your actions. Mississippi is governed by fear, full stop. Specifically, a fear that their individual mediocrity will trickle down to their children and so they will vote to make life as difficult as possible just to make it harder for people in even lower social strata to compete with them. I've lived through decades of this stuff and watched it up close and personal. They're SO racist that when you give them statistics about their state and their communities, the first thing they'll do is handwave them away because to them, statistics are irrelevant if they contain data regarding minorities UNLESS said statistics are there to condemn minorities. Same thing with people in different economic classes. Generalizations are there for them to make about other people, not the other way around. Mississippi has one of the higher murder rates? Irrelevant to them because they have a higher number of black folks. Murder rates among whites in the state are high? Irrelevant because it's the poor whites who are murdering each other. At some point, you just have to accept that the conditions they're living in are the conditions they're choosing to live in and treat them accordingly.
sherburt3 1y ago
I live in the south bro. That was a dig towards bluesky being a shitty twitter clone.

TylerE 1y ago

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jrockway 1y ago
What about the people that didn't vote for this? Every election is 49/51 so when someone says "they're getting what they voted for", half the people are getting the opposite of what they voted for.
- curtisf 1y ago
  "The Walker Montgomery Protecting Children Online Act" ("HB 1126") was passed essentially unanimously by the Mississippi state legislature.
  - sojournerc 1y ago
    Elected legislature. You haven't proven anything against their point that a minority is unrepresented.
  - davesque 1y ago
    And 100% of voters in Mississippi voted for the representatives currently in the legislature?
- TylerE 1y ago
  It wasn't close to 51/49. The south doesn't work like that. I've lived here my whole life. In 2024 Mississippi went 61/38 for Trump. They haven't sent a Democrat senator to DC since 1982. In their most recent state house/senate cycle, 2023, overall voting was 62R vs 34D. They voted for this.
  - jjj123 1y ago
    OPs point wasn’t about the exact stats, it’s just that there is a significant percentage of people in a state that don’t agree or support their government. I’d consider 38% significant.
    - TylerE 1y ago
      In 1980, when Ronald Reagan took 44 of 50 states, Jimmy Carter took 41% of the vote. In electoral terms a party taking 38% of the vote is almost a non-entity. You don't come close to succeeding in a first past the post system with those numbers.
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  - sojournerc 1y ago
    "here", yet you say "they"... What's that about?
    - TylerE 1y ago
      I live in the south, but not in Mississippi.
gottorf 1y ago
> get them to stop actively voting against their own interests Such a tired trope that I wish would stop. The whole point of a plural democracy is that people will have different interests, and there are few things that rub me the wrong way more than the idea that people are too stupid to recognize what their own interests are and vote accordingly.
- TylerE 1y ago
  What do call it when they repeatedly vote to slash the health care programs that almost half the state relies on for coverage? For candidates that defund education and basic infrastructure investment? It is objectively against rational self-interest.
  - oooyay 1y ago
    While I share your frustration can I also share with you that I think your original take is entirely dim-witted and ignorant that populations are not singular voting blocs? That's to say, I lived in Texas for a long time as a leftist and people like you would come in to dunk on our suffering. Nearly half the state votes Democrat but that didn't matter to folks like you. It's unproductive and isolates more people than it gratifies.
    - JustExAWS 1y ago
      There is a huge difference between accepting someone’s opinion about supply side economics or US foreign policy or heck even abortion rights than “understanding” someone who doesn’t believe that people shouldn’t be treated equally and with respect because of the color of their skin, their sexuality, etc. I’m from South GA and spent all of my adult life until 3 years ago in Atlanta. I live in another red state now - Florida. I’ve spent enough time in the bigger cities in Texas to have a feel for it. Alabama and Mississippi are just…different.
      - gottorf 1y ago
        > “understanding” someone who doesn’t believe that people shouldn’t be treated equally and with respect because of the color of their skin, their sexuality, etc. Can you steelman the culturally conservative viewpoint? I find this to be a big blind spot in today's progressive thinkers; i.e. it's hard for someone in that camp to explain why anyone would have voted for Trump, without dipping into the "they know not what they're voting for" or "they're just ignorant, racist, and hateful" buckets. > Alabama and Mississippi are just…different. I'm a visibly nonwhite immigrant who moved to one of those "different" states from a large coastal metro. I'm not treated any worse or differently in society. Perhaps the biggest disparity I've noticed is that the Old South still believes that it's good for society for people of various backgrounds to assimilate to one central culture, whereas the more cosmopolitan metros seem to have declared assimilation as an imposition on minority groups. I believe the former to be the correct position, and closer to the original "liberal" belief that anybody, no matter what they look like, will be treated equally as long as they are willing to play by the same rules. The latter viewpoint to me is very much like "separate but equal"; no one cultural group has any say over another, and there is not one standard set of behaviors that everyone is expected to conform to, because differences are valued over unity. It has been fascinating to see, as someone with an outsider's background, the realignment of political thought over the past decade or two.

ronsor 1y ago

I read the comment more as a criticism of Bluesky ("nobody actually uses it [except California liberals?]") than a criticism of Mississippi.

none_to_remain 1y ago

You could very well read that as praise for Mississippi

LexiMax 1y ago

Hating on Mississippi is an age-old Southern tradition. Unless you're from Mississippi, then you hate on Alabama.

RajT88 1y ago
By any number of metrics, Mississippi is the least developed, most backwater state. My own personal metrics: Everyone's got that once racist uncle. Mine moved gleefully to Alabama. I have never known anyone who moved to Mississippi. Or from there! I bet MS has some amazing old homes out in the swamp with great fishing.
- greenie_beans 1y ago
  you're probably from a place that is just as racist and backward as mississippi. maybe new england, the most racist region in the united states? if you feel this way about the south, just say you hate black people and be done with it.
  - RajT88 1y ago
    Blue as they come (Illinois). And on the contrary, I reckon Ohio is far more racist than just about any place I've been. Black folks are just fine by me. Maybe you are trying to read between the lines instead of what I wrote?
    - greenie_beans 1y ago
      no, what you say is a common (ignorant) refrain in liberal circles outside of the south

renewiltord 1y ago

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arghandugh 1y ago
Your writing is confusing and your use of slurs is disgusting. Stop it.
- renewiltord 1y ago
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MisterBastahrd 1y ago

When you consistently shoot yourself in the face despite all evidence because you believe it'll make you wiser, at some point rational people just need to point out that maybe you've blown your own head off too many times to make intelligent decisions and accept your agency for your actions. Mississippi is governed by fear, full stop. Specifically, a fear that their individual mediocrity will trickle down to their children and so they will vote to make life as difficult as possible just to make it harder for people in even lower social strata to compete with them. I've lived through decades of this stuff and watched it up close and personal. They're SO racist that when you give them statistics about their state and their communities, the first thing they'll do is handwave them away because to them, statistics are irrelevant if they contain data regarding minorities UNLESS said statistics are there to condemn minorities. Same thing with people in different economic classes. Generalizations are there for them to make about other people, not the other way around. Mississippi has one of the higher murder rates? Irrelevant to them because they have a higher number of black folks. Murder rates among whites in the state are high? Irrelevant because it's the poor whites who are murdering each other. At some point, you just have to accept that the conditions they're living in are the conditions they're choosing to live in and treat them accordingly.

sherburt3 1y ago

I live in the south bro. That was a dig towards bluesky being a shitty twitter clone.