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For at least the near term, parcels won't be shipped into the US. Once things stabilize, they'll figure out who'll pay the tariffs stemming from suspending de

For at least the near term, parcels won't be shipped into the US. Once things stabilize, they'll figure out who'll pay the tariffs stemming from suspending de minimus. But it's going to affect small companies outside the US and the cost of goods entering from outside. That's the intent, but it's going to result in some lean months or years until the payola is delivered or the factories are (re)built. And it's not going to be a fun time for Walmart.

Larrikin 1y ago
>> it's going to result in some lean months or years There's a lot of government officials in their 80s, I'm betting a lot of them will die and these tariffs get thrown out with them. It's an instant win for any politician to lower taxes on consumers.
- jleyank 1y ago
  There’s only one relevant old fart politician for this tariff bs.
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Guvante 1y ago
The US imported $3.3 Trillion in 2024 and had goods value add of $4.9 Trillion of which $2.1 Trillion were exports. Given generally speaking imports and exports tend to be distinct products we would need to add 118% goods production to not need to import. The US isn't capable of doing that in even a decade. And it is going to impact everything because unlike most tariffs which exclude manufacturing goods this set hits everything so you cannot competitively produce things unless the entire production chain from raw materials is in the US.
- throwawaymaths 1y ago
  big bulk importers (e.g. walmart sources) already have infrastructure to deal with import duties so its not like trade is going to come to a halt. IIUC realistically its small shippers that are going to get whacked like aliexpress or temu, shein.
  - Guvante 1y ago
    I responded to "we are going to have to build up our internal stuff to survive" which isn't reasonable in the medium term let alone the short term.
- conartist6 1y ago
  So what you're saying is that Trump is... a tree-hugging environmentalist by dint of being a de-growther?
  - lazide 1y ago
    What people get from Trump is almost always the opposite of what he promises them (if he is promising them what they want anyway), so I suspect he may be the best thing for the climate since COVID. In a similar no-not-like-that kind of way, of course.
  - Guvante 1y ago
    Him making an anti consumption policy would fall under the "broken clock is right twice a day" situation. Arbitrary policies can be found to align with arbitrary ones if you inspect on a different metric than is used to create them. In this case I would assume from what has been released isolation via destabilization is the goal. (Not major destabilization mind you just "ruffling feathers" enough that we naturally pull away) The fact that destabilization results in reduced consumption is a coincidence.
riehwvfbk 1y ago
Walmart? You mean Temu and Etsy. Walmart doesn't ship their inventory piecemeal through the post.
- Scoundreller 1y ago
  Does Temu? In Canada, I haven't received a thing from them through the post. It's all from small-time gig couriers. If they're not bringing it through the post, then it's getting brokered and applicable duties already paid by Temu. But yes, the Etsy stuff is often sent piecemeal via Post.
  - silisili 1y ago
    Yes, well, sometimes. My wife used to shop there a lot. Some items 'came' from the US, which were little more than headshops and small warehouses, but shipping was much faster. Still, many items shipped directly from China to your mailbox. What feels really gross is that they could ship a trinket from China to your door for less money than it would cost me to send it to someone in my own state.
    - Scoundreller 1y ago
      With a China Post/HK postmark? Or some other courier or with a USPS postmark? Because that would indicate it got commercially brokered with all duties assessed and paid by someone.
      - silisili 1y ago
        Yeah China Post. It's a combination of factors, including something called the UPU, de minimis, and subsidies on both sides. The USPS loses money on every item sent. Most small trinkets use something called ePacket, check its pricing here - https://jingsourcing.com/shipping-from-china-to-us-cost/ https://jingsourcing.com/shipping-from-china-to-us-cost/ It would cost me as an American 4x that amount to send something to even my neighbor via USPS. I wouldn't say I'm a tariff fan, but US sellers have been getting ripped off for years, and few people even know or care.
mongol 1y ago
> Once things stabilize Seems unlikely under the current administration

Larrikin 1y ago

>> it's going to result in some lean months or years There's a lot of government officials in their 80s, I'm betting a lot of them will die and these tariffs get thrown out with them. It's an instant win for any politician to lower taxes on consumers.

jleyank 1y ago
There’s only one relevant old fart politician for this tariff bs.

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Guvante 1y ago

The US imported $3.3 Trillion in 2024 and had goods value add of $4.9 Trillion of which $2.1 Trillion were exports. Given generally speaking imports and exports tend to be distinct products we would need to add 118% goods production to not need to import. The US isn't capable of doing that in even a decade. And it is going to impact everything because unlike most tariffs which exclude manufacturing goods this set hits everything so you cannot competitively produce things unless the entire production chain from raw materials is in the US.

throwawaymaths 1y ago
big bulk importers (e.g. walmart sources) already have infrastructure to deal with import duties so its not like trade is going to come to a halt. IIUC realistically its small shippers that are going to get whacked like aliexpress or temu, shein.
- Guvante 1y ago
  I responded to "we are going to have to build up our internal stuff to survive" which isn't reasonable in the medium term let alone the short term.
conartist6 1y ago
So what you're saying is that Trump is... a tree-hugging environmentalist by dint of being a de-growther?
- lazide 1y ago
  What people get from Trump is almost always the opposite of what he promises them (if he is promising them what they want anyway), so I suspect he may be the best thing for the climate since COVID. In a similar no-not-like-that kind of way, of course.
- Guvante 1y ago
  Him making an anti consumption policy would fall under the "broken clock is right twice a day" situation. Arbitrary policies can be found to align with arbitrary ones if you inspect on a different metric than is used to create them. In this case I would assume from what has been released isolation via destabilization is the goal. (Not major destabilization mind you just "ruffling feathers" enough that we naturally pull away) The fact that destabilization results in reduced consumption is a coincidence.

riehwvfbk 1y ago

Walmart? You mean Temu and Etsy. Walmart doesn't ship their inventory piecemeal through the post.

Scoundreller 1y ago
Does Temu? In Canada, I haven't received a thing from them through the post. It's all from small-time gig couriers. If they're not bringing it through the post, then it's getting brokered and applicable duties already paid by Temu. But yes, the Etsy stuff is often sent piecemeal via Post.
- silisili 1y ago
  Yes, well, sometimes. My wife used to shop there a lot. Some items 'came' from the US, which were little more than headshops and small warehouses, but shipping was much faster. Still, many items shipped directly from China to your mailbox. What feels really gross is that they could ship a trinket from China to your door for less money than it would cost me to send it to someone in my own state.
  - Scoundreller 1y ago
    With a China Post/HK postmark? Or some other courier or with a USPS postmark? Because that would indicate it got commercially brokered with all duties assessed and paid by someone.
    - silisili 1y ago
      Yeah China Post. It's a combination of factors, including something called the UPU, de minimis, and subsidies on both sides. The USPS loses money on every item sent. Most small trinkets use something called ePacket, check its pricing here - https://jingsourcing.com/shipping-from-china-to-us-cost/ https://jingsourcing.com/shipping-from-china-to-us-cost/ It would cost me as an American 4x that amount to send something to even my neighbor via USPS. I wouldn't say I'm a tariff fan, but US sellers have been getting ripped off for years, and few people even know or care.

mongol 1y ago

> Once things stabilize Seems unlikely under the current administration