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We had a pilot program in NJ for them, they were universally hated. People would slam brakes on and be hanging over the edge into intersection and throw their c

We had a pilot program in NJ for them, they were universally hated. People would slam brakes on and be hanging over the edge into intersection and throw their car into reverse panicking to avoid the ticket, ended up causing a ton of new accidents so the program was never continued. In newark people shot at the cameras: https://www.nj.com/news/2012/08/shoot_out_the_red_lights_2_tra.html https://www.nj.com/news/2012/08/shoot_out_the_red_lights_2_t...

Scoundreller 1y ago
Thankfully sawzalls are cheap and plentiful so people can use much safer practices to disable/remove them: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/parkside-drive-speed-camera-cut-down-for-sixth-time-in-eight-months-1.7581105 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/parkside-drive-speed-...
- potato3732842 1y ago
  I bet if you come back after they've removed the old one but before they install the new one you can wreck the threads on the threaded anchors by impacting the wrong size higher grade nut on.
- AlexeyBelov 1y ago
  The comments is written as if you specifically advocate for this. Why?
rcpt 1y ago
Hitting the brakes and getting rear ended is barely even a crash compared to T-boning someone or plowing over pedestrians
- joecool1029 1y ago
  I didn't say that. I said they'd panic and throw their vehicle into reverse. Cars/trucks can take the hit, motorcycles/bicycles not so much.
  - rcpt 1y ago
    Huge skepticism that bicycles and motorcycles were getting backed into in any appreciable quantities.
    - potato3732842 1y ago
      How many people you willing to put in the hospital to prevent people from technically running reds on the yellow-red transition?
      - rcpt 1y ago
        > in 2023, 1,086 people were killed in crashes that involved red light running https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/red-light-running https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/red-light-running So let's use that as an upper bound. How many people were killed by these backups you're talking about?
    - joecool1029 1y ago
      If not that then rear-ended, here's the state's report on how red light cameras increased accidents: https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/about/publicat/lmreports/pdf/2012rlrfinalreport.pdf https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/about/publicat/lmreports/p...
renewiltord 1y ago
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0_____0 1y ago
That's an insufficient yellow phase rather than a camera problem. Not sure why NJ would think their population are special snowflakes that can't deal with red light cameras otherwise.
- peterfirefly 1y ago
  Italians?
rahkiin 1y ago
Sounds like NJ has some terrible drivers

Scoundreller 1y ago

Thankfully sawzalls are cheap and plentiful so people can use much safer practices to disable/remove them: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/parkside-drive-speed-camera-cut-down-for-sixth-time-in-eight-months-1.7581105 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/parkside-drive-speed-...

potato3732842 1y ago
I bet if you come back after they've removed the old one but before they install the new one you can wreck the threads on the threaded anchors by impacting the wrong size higher grade nut on.
AlexeyBelov 1y ago
The comments is written as if you specifically advocate for this. Why?

rcpt 1y ago

Hitting the brakes and getting rear ended is barely even a crash compared to T-boning someone or plowing over pedestrians

joecool1029 1y ago
I didn't say that. I said they'd panic and throw their vehicle into reverse. Cars/trucks can take the hit, motorcycles/bicycles not so much.
- rcpt 1y ago
  Huge skepticism that bicycles and motorcycles were getting backed into in any appreciable quantities.
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    How many people you willing to put in the hospital to prevent people from technically running reds on the yellow-red transition?
    - rcpt 1y ago
      > in 2023, 1,086 people were killed in crashes that involved red light running https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/red-light-running https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/red-light-running So let's use that as an upper bound. How many people were killed by these backups you're talking about?
  - joecool1029 1y ago
    If not that then rear-ended, here's the state's report on how red light cameras increased accidents: https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/about/publicat/lmreports/pdf/2012rlrfinalreport.pdf https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/about/publicat/lmreports/p...

renewiltord 1y ago

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0_____0 1y ago

That's an insufficient yellow phase rather than a camera problem. Not sure why NJ would think their population are special snowflakes that can't deal with red light cameras otherwise.

peterfirefly 1y ago
Italians?

rahkiin 1y ago

Sounds like NJ has some terrible drivers