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In Massachusetts, USA, red light cameras were illegal until very recently, due to a 70s era law specifying that a live policeman had to issue a citation for som
by 0_____0 1y ago
In Massachusetts, USA, red light cameras were illegal until very recently, due to a 70s era law specifying that a live policeman had to issue a citation for something like that. From well before traffic cameras were common.
- rvnx 1y agoPut a single live policeman in front of 100 camera screens
- joecool1029 1y agoWe had a pilot program in NJ for them, they were universally hated. People would slam brakes on and be hanging over the edge into intersection and throw their car into reverse panicking to avoid the ticket, ended up causing a ton of new accidents so the program was never continued. In newark people shot at the cameras: https://www.nj.com/news/2012/08/shoot_out_the_red_lights_2_tra.html https://www.nj.com/news/2012/08/shoot_out_the_red_lights_2_t...
- Scoundreller 1y agoThankfully sawzalls are cheap and plentiful so people can use much safer practices to disable/remove them: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/parkside-drive-speed-camera-cut-down-for-sixth-time-in-eight-months-1.7581105 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/parkside-drive-speed-...
- potato3732842 1y agoI bet if you come back after they've removed the old one but before they install the new one you can wreck the threads on the threaded anchors by impacting the wrong size higher grade nut on.
- AlexeyBelov 1y agoThe comments is written as if you specifically advocate for this. Why?
- rcpt 1y agoHitting the brakes and getting rear ended is barely even a crash compared to T-boning someone or plowing over pedestrians
- joecool1029 1y agoI didn't say that. I said they'd panic and throw their vehicle into reverse. Cars/trucks can take the hit, motorcycles/bicycles not so much.
- rcpt 1y agoHuge skepticism that bicycles and motorcycles were getting backed into in any appreciable quantities.
- potato3732842 1y agoHow many people you willing to put in the hospital to prevent people from technically running reds on the yellow-red transition?
- rcpt 1y ago> in 2023, 1,086 people were killed in crashes that involved red light running https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/red-light-running https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/red-light-running So let's use that as an upper bound. How many people were killed by these backups you're talking about?
- joecool1029 1y agoIf not that then rear-ended, here's the state's report on how red light cameras increased accidents: https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/about/publicat/lmreports/pdf/2012rlrfinalreport.pdf https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/about/publicat/lmreports/p...
- renewiltord 1y ago[flagged]
- 0_____0 1y agoThat's an insufficient yellow phase rather than a camera problem. Not sure why NJ would think their population are special snowflakes that can't deal with red light cameras otherwise.
- peterfirefly 1y agoItalians?
- rahkiin 1y agoSounds like NJ has some terrible drivers
- Scoundreller 1y agoBefore they were common, yes, but they existed in active use back in the 1960s in the Netherlands: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_enforcement_camera https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_enforcement_camera