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In europe we use traffic cameras for this. Going through red light? A bill is in your mailbox automatically. No need for a whole police station.
by rahkiin 1y ago
In europe we use traffic cameras for this. Going through red light? A bill is in your mailbox automatically. No need for a whole police station.
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- williamcotton 1y agohttps://www.nyc.gov/site/finance/vehicles/red-light-camera-violations.page https://www.nyc.gov/site/finance/vehicles/red-light-camera-v...
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- jakelazaroff 1y agoNobody thinks it's racist to enforce traffic laws. People think it's racist to selectively enforce traffic laws by race, which usually takes the form of police pulling over Black drivers at higher rates. (But it can also mean installing more traffic cameras in minority neighborhoods!)
- prettyblocks 1y agoNYC is ramping up on this as well.
- 0_____0 1y agoIn Massachusetts, USA, red light cameras were illegal until very recently, due to a 70s era law specifying that a live policeman had to issue a citation for something like that. From well before traffic cameras were common.
- rvnx 1y agoPut a single live policeman in front of 100 camera screens
- joecool1029 1y agoWe had a pilot program in NJ for them, they were universally hated. People would slam brakes on and be hanging over the edge into intersection and throw their car into reverse panicking to avoid the ticket, ended up causing a ton of new accidents so the program was never continued. In newark people shot at the cameras: https://www.nj.com/news/2012/08/shoot_out_the_red_lights_2_tra.html https://www.nj.com/news/2012/08/shoot_out_the_red_lights_2_t...
- Scoundreller 1y agoThankfully sawzalls are cheap and plentiful so people can use much safer practices to disable/remove them: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/parkside-drive-speed-camera-cut-down-for-sixth-time-in-eight-months-1.7581105 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/parkside-drive-speed-...
- potato3732842 1y agoI bet if you come back after they've removed the old one but before they install the new one you can wreck the threads on the threaded anchors by impacting the wrong size higher grade nut on.
- AlexeyBelov 1y agoThe comments is written as if you specifically advocate for this. Why?
- rcpt 1y agoHitting the brakes and getting rear ended is barely even a crash compared to T-boning someone or plowing over pedestrians
- joecool1029 1y agoI didn't say that. I said they'd panic and throw their vehicle into reverse. Cars/trucks can take the hit, motorcycles/bicycles not so much.
- Scoundreller 1y agoBefore they were common, yes, but they existed in active use back in the 1960s in the Netherlands: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_enforcement_camera https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_enforcement_camera
- mothballed 1y agoIn most the USA, or at least Arizona, you have to serve someone. Just dropping something in a mail box doesn't mean dick. The very people that invented the traffic cameras up in Scottsdale were caught dodging the process servers from triggers from their own camera. Another words, you have to spend hundreds of dollars chasing someone down, by the time you add that on to how easy it is to jam up the ticket in court by demanding an actual human being accuse you, it's not the easy win some may think. You're basically looking at $500+ to try and prosecute someone for a $300 ticket.
- joecool1029 1y agoNY is not Arizona. They have the plate and send the fine to whomever the vehicle is registered to. If the fine isn't paid they flag the plate and impound the car if it's driven in their state.
- cowthulhu 1y agoIn CO we have automatic traffic cameras, and to my knowledge they just mail you the ticket, which is usually only a fine (and no license points). Its one of those “automatic plea” tickets where if you fight it, you fight (and risk conviction on) the actual offense, while if you just pay the ticket it will automatically get downgraded to a less serious offense (IE parking outside the lines).
- rcpt 1y agoThis isn't true we've had plenty of programs where red light camera tickets were rolled out. Voters just really don't like them.
- mothballed 1y agoThey were rolled out but the mailed tickets are legally meaningless, someone has to actually hunt you down within a short timespan (I think 90 days) to create any binding requirement to address it. A mailed citation from a photo radar camera is not an official ticket and does not need to be responded to unless it has been formally served to you. https://rideoutlaw.com/photo-radar-tickets-in-arizona-a-comprehensive-guide/ https://rideoutlaw.com/photo-radar-tickets-in-arizona-a-comp...
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- pverheggen 1y agoWe have them in the US too, but it varies widely by jurisdiction because they're regulated at the state level and policed at the local level. Oh and it's not a bill, it goes through the legal system so people have the right to argue it in court if they want.
- throw-qqqqq 1y agoHere in my country they removed the cameras in the second largest city after a trial period. It took too much effort to filter out police colleagues running a red (in police or civilian vehicles).
- rahkiin 1y agoAh that is easy here. 1) civilian vehicles never get leeway 2) we know the license plates of all police cars so we just filter it. Or actually only do so when they use proper permission to run a light
- potato3732842 1y agoSimpler Plate lookup returns state/municipal as the owner -> ticket gets discarded.
- lysace 1y agoSweden: Their locations are public. There is even an official API. They are mostly located in sane places. Apps like Waze consume this API and warn drivers if they’re at risk of getting caught. It’s the deterrence/slowdown at known risky spots they’re after, not the fine, I guess. I heard that apps warning drivers this way are illegal in Germany?
- bryanlarsen 1y agoAside: what's up with the traffic speed cameras in Sweden? It feels like they're not designed to catch anybody. In my recent drive there it seemed like most of the cameras were in an 80 zone just before it switch to 50 for a tiny town. They wouldn't catch a typical driver who does something like 10 over everywhere -- they would likely have already started slowing down for the 50. In my city in Canada, that camera would be in the 50 zone.
- lysace 1y agoI think the general idea is strategic speed shaping before spots where lethal accidents are likely. So nudging, sort of. There’s a lot of public support for that.
- potato3732842 1y agoBecause the point is to slow the traffic down, not to extract revenue from the peasantry. Same as the difference between an obvious speed trap and a "gotcha" speed trap.
- bryanlarsen 1y agoBut does it slow people down? I doubt it has significant effect. Very few people are going to be going over 80 a few meters in front of a 50 sign. You essentially are only catching people who are doing close to double the upcoming speed limit. Those who are willing to do that should be getting much more severe punishment than a speeding ticket.
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- bsder 1y agoThe problem with traffic cameras in the US was that they became outsourced revenue enhancement rather than public safety. The cameras would get installed at busy intersections with lots of minor infractions to collect fines on rather than unsafe intersections that had lots of bad accidents. And then, when the revenue was insufficient, they would dial down the yellow light time. Consequently, and rightly, Americans now immediately revolt against traffic cameras whenever they appear. (San Diego was one particularly egregious example. They installed the cameras on the busy freeway interchange lights when the super dangerous intersection that produced all the T-bone accidents was literally one traffic light up the hill. This infuriated everybody.)