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Those things are usually rentals here in Florida. HOAs are a real problem here due to the legal protection they have. They can literally take your house because

Those things are usually rentals here in Florida. HOAs are a real problem here due to the legal protection they have. They can literally take your house because your mailbox is blue.

zug_zug 1y ago
Maybe just take away that protection? Where I live nobody is losing a house for having the wrong color mailbox, but there are certain historical protected areas where beauty is an externality — you can’t demolish a historic house in the middle of the beautiful downtown
squigz 1y ago
> They can literally take your house because your mailbox is blue. This is hard to believe. Have you got a source?
- bane 1y ago
  One of the remedies HOAs typically possess is the ability to put a lien on your property. The end game to one of these liens can be complicated, but losing your house is among them.
  - TylerE 1y ago
    There’s like 5 intermediate steps you’re just sort of glossing over there. This is like saying the inevitable result of a paper cut is losing the entire arm to gangrene.
    - reactordev 1y ago
      HOA will put a lien on your house, you won't even know it, eventually when you don't pay it, they'll take your house through the courts. Happened to a friend of mine and almost happened to me until I sold my house and got out of the HOA. I'll never buy in an HOA again.
- Thorrez 1y ago
  >Last week, I-Team Investigator Adam Walser reported how a Riverview homeowner ended up in jail and her neighbor faced foreclosure over what started out as HOA violations. https://www.tampabay28.com/news/local-news/i-team-investigates/i-would-rather-live-under-a-bridge-than-under-an-hoa-viewers-sound-off https://www.tampabay28.com/news/local-news/i-team-investigat...
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- wolrah 1y ago
  It's a slightly longer process but it basically comes down to: 1. HOA has stupid rule about mailbox 2. Homeowner is found to be in violation of the rule and fined. 3. Homeowner does not pay fines 4. HOA places lien on house and is eventually able to force a sale to pay the fine. It has to escalate to get there, but it is possible. Also I can state from personal experience with two different HOAs on two different sides of the state of Ohio that they are exactly that petty. The first one harassed my grandparents and threatened them with fines over having the "wrong" mailbox despite my grandparents literally being the first owners of the home and the mailbox they had having been put up by the developer who built the neighborhood and still controlled the HOA at the time (if you're not familiar with HOAs, in new developments it's common for the developer to have a controlling vote until a certain percentage of lots have been sold which allows them to exercise tighter control over the way the neighborhood appears to potential buyers). If I recall correctly the "right" mailbox was also one that was built by some random local shop that was connected to the developers so you couldn't just go buy one retail. The second one was a decade later when I was renting a room from a friend, he had one of the common "Step 2" brand plastic mailboxes which had been installed for years and was also common around the neighborhood. Apparently it wasn't the right color, it was tan and only the black and green variants were allowed. I don't mind the concept of a HOA for maintaining shared areas and such. The one in the second case actually was responsible for all yard maintenance in the neighborhood which was nice (except that their vendor loved to show up at 6 AM on a Saturday to wake us all up with the sound of two-stroke engines) and that was fine. The problem is that they have too much power over individuals' property. Outside of special cases like historical properties there is no excuse for HOAs to care about what color I paint my front door, what brand of mailbox I use, what type of shingles I install, if I have a satellite dish, etc. If it does not objectively affect others who are not on my property the HOA should keep its nose out of it.
LargeWu 1y ago
HOA's are ultimately run by the homeowners themselves. It's right there in the name. If the HOA is such a problem, elect different people to the board and change the rules.
- reactordev 1y ago
  You can't because they don't have elections... It's up to the documents to determine when elections can be held and often these HOA's in FL make it so that once elected, they don't hold elections again for 25 years.
  - LargeWu 1y ago
    25 years is wild. No wonder HOA's have a reputation for boards with power trips.
    - reactordev 1y ago
      Just long enough to milk the other homeowners for their own personal mortgages - paying off their own home, earn a cool $100k, and watch their property values go up. An HOA that has $500/mo dues and 240 homes pulls $120,000/mo yet we have to cut our own grass, follow their paint scheme, follow their trash rules, keep our roofs new, front door clear, driveway clear, and packages out of sight. EDIT for those downvoting, here's some cases for ya... https://www.wlrn.org/local-news/2022-11-16/prosecutors-hoa-board-members-stole-millions-from-residents https://www.wlrn.org/local-news/2022-11-16/prosecutors-hoa-b... https://www.miamidade.gov/global/release.page?Mduid_release=rel1745417711337675 https://www.miamidade.gov/global/release.page?Mduid_release=... https://wsvn.com/news/investigations/arrested-again-ex-aventura-condo-president-indicted-on-federal-wire-fraud-charges-with-unnamed-co-defendant/ https://wsvn.com/news/investigations/arrested-again-ex-avent... https://www.volusiasheriff.gov/news/volusia-county-sheriff/former-nsb-condo-president-manager-wanted-on-theft-fraud-charges.stml https://www.volusiasheriff.gov/news/volusia-county-sheriff/f...
lazyasciiart 1y ago
There are over 1 million condos in Florida, and many of them are in buildings that need repairs the HOA can’t pay for. Remember the Surfside collapse? Sure, it’d be interesting to see how people work out the concept of shared benefits that need being paid for from scratch, but I know and like some people in Florida so I’d still be sorry to see them do it.

Those things are usually rentals here in Florida. HOAs are a real problem here due to the legal protection they have. They can literally take your house because your mailbox is blue.

zug_zug 1y ago

Maybe just take away that protection? Where I live nobody is losing a house for having the wrong color mailbox, but there are certain historical protected areas where beauty is an externality — you can’t demolish a historic house in the middle of the beautiful downtown

squigz 1y ago

> They can literally take your house because your mailbox is blue. This is hard to believe. Have you got a source?

bane 1y ago
One of the remedies HOAs typically possess is the ability to put a lien on your property. The end game to one of these liens can be complicated, but losing your house is among them.
- TylerE 1y ago
  There’s like 5 intermediate steps you’re just sort of glossing over there. This is like saying the inevitable result of a paper cut is losing the entire arm to gangrene.
  - reactordev 1y ago
    HOA will put a lien on your house, you won't even know it, eventually when you don't pay it, they'll take your house through the courts. Happened to a friend of mine and almost happened to me until I sold my house and got out of the HOA. I'll never buy in an HOA again.
Thorrez 1y ago
>Last week, I-Team Investigator Adam Walser reported how a Riverview homeowner ended up in jail and her neighbor faced foreclosure over what started out as HOA violations. https://www.tampabay28.com/news/local-news/i-team-investigates/i-would-rather-live-under-a-bridge-than-under-an-hoa-viewers-sound-off https://www.tampabay28.com/news/local-news/i-team-investigat...
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wolrah 1y ago
It's a slightly longer process but it basically comes down to: 1. HOA has stupid rule about mailbox 2. Homeowner is found to be in violation of the rule and fined. 3. Homeowner does not pay fines 4. HOA places lien on house and is eventually able to force a sale to pay the fine. It has to escalate to get there, but it is possible. Also I can state from personal experience with two different HOAs on two different sides of the state of Ohio that they are exactly that petty. The first one harassed my grandparents and threatened them with fines over having the "wrong" mailbox despite my grandparents literally being the first owners of the home and the mailbox they had having been put up by the developer who built the neighborhood and still controlled the HOA at the time (if you're not familiar with HOAs, in new developments it's common for the developer to have a controlling vote until a certain percentage of lots have been sold which allows them to exercise tighter control over the way the neighborhood appears to potential buyers). If I recall correctly the "right" mailbox was also one that was built by some random local shop that was connected to the developers so you couldn't just go buy one retail. The second one was a decade later when I was renting a room from a friend, he had one of the common "Step 2" brand plastic mailboxes which had been installed for years and was also common around the neighborhood. Apparently it wasn't the right color, it was tan and only the black and green variants were allowed. I don't mind the concept of a HOA for maintaining shared areas and such. The one in the second case actually was responsible for all yard maintenance in the neighborhood which was nice (except that their vendor loved to show up at 6 AM on a Saturday to wake us all up with the sound of two-stroke engines) and that was fine. The problem is that they have too much power over individuals' property. Outside of special cases like historical properties there is no excuse for HOAs to care about what color I paint my front door, what brand of mailbox I use, what type of shingles I install, if I have a satellite dish, etc. If it does not objectively affect others who are not on my property the HOA should keep its nose out of it.

LargeWu 1y ago

HOA's are ultimately run by the homeowners themselves. It's right there in the name. If the HOA is such a problem, elect different people to the board and change the rules.

reactordev 1y ago
You can't because they don't have elections... It's up to the documents to determine when elections can be held and often these HOA's in FL make it so that once elected, they don't hold elections again for 25 years.
- LargeWu 1y ago
  25 years is wild. No wonder HOA's have a reputation for boards with power trips.
  - reactordev 1y ago
    Just long enough to milk the other homeowners for their own personal mortgages - paying off their own home, earn a cool $100k, and watch their property values go up. An HOA that has $500/mo dues and 240 homes pulls $120,000/mo yet we have to cut our own grass, follow their paint scheme, follow their trash rules, keep our roofs new, front door clear, driveway clear, and packages out of sight. EDIT for those downvoting, here's some cases for ya... https://www.wlrn.org/local-news/2022-11-16/prosecutors-hoa-board-members-stole-millions-from-residents https://www.wlrn.org/local-news/2022-11-16/prosecutors-hoa-b... https://www.miamidade.gov/global/release.page?Mduid_release=rel1745417711337675 https://www.miamidade.gov/global/release.page?Mduid_release=... https://wsvn.com/news/investigations/arrested-again-ex-aventura-condo-president-indicted-on-federal-wire-fraud-charges-with-unnamed-co-defendant/ https://wsvn.com/news/investigations/arrested-again-ex-avent... https://www.volusiasheriff.gov/news/volusia-county-sheriff/former-nsb-condo-president-manager-wanted-on-theft-fraud-charges.stml https://www.volusiasheriff.gov/news/volusia-county-sheriff/f...

lazyasciiart 1y ago

There are over 1 million condos in Florida, and many of them are in buildings that need repairs the HOA can’t pay for. Remember the Surfside collapse? Sure, it’d be interesting to see how people work out the concept of shared benefits that need being paid for from scratch, but I know and like some people in Florida so I’d still be sorry to see them do it.