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You ought to care more then, wouldn’t you say? An American has just pleaded with you not to have this attitude and you’ve thrown it back in their face. Hardly a

You ought to care more then, wouldn’t you say? An American has just pleaded with you not to have this attitude and you’ve thrown it back in their face. Hardly a mature attitude or an open mind.

lazide 1y ago
The US is just experiencing what every Russian, Iraqi, Afghani, etc. has been dealing with for a long time. It’s FAFO writ large, and the US has been ‘exceptional’ for so long they think they can avoid the FO part.
- tene80i 1y ago
  But that’s exactly the point - nobody thinks of the citizens of those countries as being unified behind or synonymous with whoever is in charge.
  - lazide 1y ago
    Clearly you’ve never met people? And never seen news discussions, sanctions, seen immigration policies, etc? It may not been as bad and direct as discrimination against the Japanese in WW2, but a ton of people absolutely do discriminate that way. And let’s not talk about Muslims (or anyone with a turban, like Sikhs) post 9/11.
    - tene80i 1y ago
      OK yes I meant no reasonable people. I’m not sure what your point is. That Americans deserve to “find out” terrible things because of their government, but other countries don’t? I was just trying to agree with you that the situations are the same.
      - lazide 1y ago
        Deserve has nothing to do with it. But it’s the inevitable consequence of what is going on, and it’s going to get worse. American’s have had a positive PR program for so long, they’re just completely ignorant of what it’s like to no longer have that. The US has switched from exporting the American Dream to exporting the American Nightmare, and that will have long term consequences. People are only now starting to wake up to that fact/feel them, but even if we stopped right this second it will take decades for this to play out. And we’re not stopping, but flooring it.
        brokenmachine 1y ago
        >The US has switched from exporting the American Dream to exporting the American Nightmare, and that will have long term consequences. This, 100%. I'm Australian. I grew up playing basketball and watching American TV and movies, even had superbowl parties with friends on multiple occasions, which is pretty rare here in Australia. Been to the US on holidays. Always got along well with Americans who came here. Take this free opinion from someone outside the exceptionalist bubble: America is on the decline... and it's going to get worse. People won't easily forget this grotesque spectacle.
mrheosuper 1y ago
I don't like how people separate themself from "society" when it's convenient for them. You are part of it, whether you like it or not. And last time i check, Trump won most of the swing state, so a large part of US believe in Trump.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  It's also the second time he won.
- tene80i 1y ago
  The comment above says “Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens.” Nobody is saying he doesn’t officially represent the USA. It’s about not assuming ALL Americans agree with what the administration is doing. A reasonable ask, no?
  - petralithic 1y ago
    You can say that about any country though, of course the leader doesn't represent all of the population, just a majority, if they're a democracy, which is rare these day.
    - onlypassingthru 1y ago
      minor nit: The US doesn't require a majority to win the presidency, only a plurality, which was ~32% in the most recent election.† † https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States...
  - mrheosuper 1y ago
    The Americans expect the world to constantly make distinctions for them while American foreign policy affects everyone regardless of who individual Americans voted for.
  - orwin 1y ago
    Honestly, if you're not protesting, you're enabling. That's why I dont think all Israelis agree with their government, or all gazaoui agree with Hamas. Protests, regular ones, are happening, on both side. I don't see a lot of those in the US to be fair.
Ylpertnodi 1y ago
> Hardly a mature attitude or an open mind. Not gp, but: sorry, Americans, for whatever voter turnouts, gerrymandering, secret deals, etc, etc. He's your president. Twice.
- Ekaros 1y ago
  In the end as outside I see that you have allowed system to end in place where very divisive candidate won. Maybe if decades ago you had worked towards direction where there was more than two options it could be different... And if the other side would have fielded something that got the other side as passionate as Trump does with his base. Whatever you say at least Trump has truly passionate base. Or will next Democrat nominee be Harris?

You ought to care more then, wouldn’t you say? An American has just pleaded with you not to have this attitude and you’ve thrown it back in their face. Hardly a mature attitude or an open mind.

lazide 1y ago

The US is just experiencing what every Russian, Iraqi, Afghani, etc. has been dealing with for a long time. It’s FAFO writ large, and the US has been ‘exceptional’ for so long they think they can avoid the FO part.

tene80i 1y ago
But that’s exactly the point - nobody thinks of the citizens of those countries as being unified behind or synonymous with whoever is in charge.
- lazide 1y ago
  Clearly you’ve never met people? And never seen news discussions, sanctions, seen immigration policies, etc? It may not been as bad and direct as discrimination against the Japanese in WW2, but a ton of people absolutely do discriminate that way. And let’s not talk about Muslims (or anyone with a turban, like Sikhs) post 9/11.
  - tene80i 1y ago
    OK yes I meant no reasonable people. I’m not sure what your point is. That Americans deserve to “find out” terrible things because of their government, but other countries don’t? I was just trying to agree with you that the situations are the same.
    - lazide 1y ago
      Deserve has nothing to do with it. But it’s the inevitable consequence of what is going on, and it’s going to get worse. American’s have had a positive PR program for so long, they’re just completely ignorant of what it’s like to no longer have that. The US has switched from exporting the American Dream to exporting the American Nightmare, and that will have long term consequences. People are only now starting to wake up to that fact/feel them, but even if we stopped right this second it will take decades for this to play out. And we’re not stopping, but flooring it.
      - brokenmachine 1y ago
        >The US has switched from exporting the American Dream to exporting the American Nightmare, and that will have long term consequences. This, 100%. I'm Australian. I grew up playing basketball and watching American TV and movies, even had superbowl parties with friends on multiple occasions, which is pretty rare here in Australia. Been to the US on holidays. Always got along well with Americans who came here. Take this free opinion from someone outside the exceptionalist bubble: America is on the decline... and it's going to get worse. People won't easily forget this grotesque spectacle.

mrheosuper 1y ago

I don't like how people separate themself from "society" when it's convenient for them. You are part of it, whether you like it or not. And last time i check, Trump won most of the swing state, so a large part of US believe in Trump.

AlecSchueler 1y ago
It's also the second time he won.
tene80i 1y ago
The comment above says “Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens.” Nobody is saying he doesn’t officially represent the USA. It’s about not assuming ALL Americans agree with what the administration is doing. A reasonable ask, no?
- petralithic 1y ago
  You can say that about any country though, of course the leader doesn't represent all of the population, just a majority, if they're a democracy, which is rare these day.
  - onlypassingthru 1y ago
    minor nit: The US doesn't require a majority to win the presidency, only a plurality, which was ~32% in the most recent election.† † https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States...
- mrheosuper 1y ago
  The Americans expect the world to constantly make distinctions for them while American foreign policy affects everyone regardless of who individual Americans voted for.
- orwin 1y ago
  Honestly, if you're not protesting, you're enabling. That's why I dont think all Israelis agree with their government, or all gazaoui agree with Hamas. Protests, regular ones, are happening, on both side. I don't see a lot of those in the US to be fair.

Ylpertnodi 1y ago

> Hardly a mature attitude or an open mind. Not gp, but: sorry, Americans, for whatever voter turnouts, gerrymandering, secret deals, etc, etc. He's your president. Twice.

Ekaros 1y ago
In the end as outside I see that you have allowed system to end in place where very divisive candidate won. Maybe if decades ago you had worked towards direction where there was more than two options it could be different... And if the other side would have fielded something that got the other side as passionate as Trump does with his base. Whatever you say at least Trump has truly passionate base. Or will next Democrat nominee be Harris?