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Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens. About half of us are shocked and revolted by pretty much everything h

Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens. About half of us are shocked and revolted by pretty much everything he says and does.

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mrheosuper 1y ago
For all i care, he represents all the US citizen. He is your president.
- tene80i 1y ago
  You ought to care more then, wouldn’t you say? An American has just pleaded with you not to have this attitude and you’ve thrown it back in their face. Hardly a mature attitude or an open mind.
  - lazide 1y ago
    The US is just experiencing what every Russian, Iraqi, Afghani, etc. has been dealing with for a long time. It’s FAFO writ large, and the US has been ‘exceptional’ for so long they think they can avoid the FO part.
    - tene80i 1y ago
      But that’s exactly the point - nobody thinks of the citizens of those countries as being unified behind or synonymous with whoever is in charge.
      - lazide 1y ago
        Clearly you’ve never met people? And never seen news discussions, sanctions, seen immigration policies, etc? It may not been as bad and direct as discrimination against the Japanese in WW2, but a ton of people absolutely do discriminate that way. And let’s not talk about Muslims (or anyone with a turban, like Sikhs) post 9/11.
        tene80i 1y ago
        OK yes I meant no reasonable people. I’m not sure what your point is. That Americans deserve to “find out” terrible things because of their government, but other countries don’t? I was just trying to agree with you that the situations are the same.
        lazide 1y ago
        Deserve has nothing to do with it. But it’s the inevitable consequence of what is going on, and it’s going to get worse. American’s have had a positive PR program for so long, they’re just completely ignorant of what it’s like to no longer have that. The US has switched from exporting the American Dream to exporting the American Nightmare, and that will have long term consequences. People are only now starting to wake up to that fact/feel them, but even if we stopped right this second it will take decades for this to play out. And we’re not stopping, but flooring it.
        brokenmachine 1y ago
        >The US has switched from exporting the American Dream to exporting the American Nightmare, and that will have long term consequences. This, 100%. I'm Australian. I grew up playing basketball and watching American TV and movies, even had superbowl parties with friends on multiple occasions, which is pretty rare here in Australia. Been to the US on holidays. Always got along well with Americans who came here. Take this free opinion from someone outside the exceptionalist bubble: America is on the decline... and it's going to get worse. People won't easily forget this grotesque spectacle.
  - mrheosuper 1y ago
    I don't like how people separate themself from "society" when it's convenient for them. You are part of it, whether you like it or not. And last time i check, Trump won most of the swing state, so a large part of US believe in Trump.
    - AlecSchueler 1y ago
      It's also the second time he won.
    - tene80i 1y ago
      The comment above says “Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens.” Nobody is saying he doesn’t officially represent the USA. It’s about not assuming ALL Americans agree with what the administration is doing. A reasonable ask, no?
      - petralithic 1y ago
        You can say that about any country though, of course the leader doesn't represent all of the population, just a majority, if they're a democracy, which is rare these day.
        onlypassingthru 1y ago
        minor nit: The US doesn't require a majority to win the presidency, only a plurality, which was ~32% in the most recent election.† † https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States...
      - mrheosuper 1y ago
        The Americans expect the world to constantly make distinctions for them while American foreign policy affects everyone regardless of who individual Americans voted for.
      - orwin 1y ago
        Honestly, if you're not protesting, you're enabling. That's why I dont think all Israelis agree with their government, or all gazaoui agree with Hamas. Protests, regular ones, are happening, on both side. I don't see a lot of those in the US to be fair.
  - Ylpertnodi 1y ago
    > Hardly a mature attitude or an open mind. Not gp, but: sorry, Americans, for whatever voter turnouts, gerrymandering, secret deals, etc, etc. He's your president. Twice.
    - Ekaros 1y ago
      In the end as outside I see that you have allowed system to end in place where very divisive candidate won. Maybe if decades ago you had worked towards direction where there was more than two options it could be different... And if the other side would have fielded something that got the other side as passionate as Trump does with his base. Whatever you say at least Trump has truly passionate base. Or will next Democrat nominee be Harris?
- CoastalCoder 1y ago
  I understand the sentiment, and I can't control how fine of a distinction you're making. In fact, you could legitimately blame people like me for not going further to stop the madness. In my particular case, that could cost me my job, which means losing health insurance for my family and myself. That's a choice I'm making, for sure. To that extent I'm culpable for this situation.
  - LadyCailin 1y ago
    I’ve aleast applied some logic for all countries with shitty leaders. Russia, or Israel, or Gaza (Hamas) for instance. Who is responsible for the shittyness done by the governments of these countries? The governments, obviously. But when harm starts going to other nations, who is most responsible for stopping that? Surely the answer must be the citizens of that country? We can’t expect, say, Canada, or Zimbabwe, to be the morally responsible people and expect them to go in and stage a coup. If they do, maybe that’s fine, but they can’t be held culpable if they do nothing. The citizens however, must be, as there otherwise is no one else to stop the evil. Now, I include the US in this list too. So, while it’s true that US citizens are not directly responsible for Trump, there is still a dereliction of ethical duty happening, in my opinion, assuming we agree that Trump is harming other people unnecessarily (which, naturally, many Trump supporters would disagree with.) Of course, even if I’m right, what does that mean in practice? That random Americans on vacation in Italy can be snatched up and sent to The Hague? No, obviously not. I think the most practical effect is that this should give all Americans pause to think, and to at minimum ensure that they are not contributing to the problem in any way, and better yet, fighting the problem in some way. Of course, this doesn’t even begin to address the fact that only 1/3 or so of Americans voted for Harris, which was the only choice that actually could have worked to stop Trump. 1/3 voted for him directly, and of course they are responsible, but another 1/3 couldn’t be bothered to vote, so it is actually a supermajority of the American people that are shitty, either because they couldn’t care less about other people, or they actively contributed to the problem.
    - petralithic 1y ago
      Not everywhere is a democracy though. I'd hesitate to call even the US a democracy and therefore the government is independent of the will of the people.
- dotandgtfo 1y ago
  What a horrible take. I feel compelled to say that in my experience people in northern Europe can empathize with and separate the population from a dysfunctional two-party political system captured by capital.
  - JPKab 1y ago
    Most of the world engages routinely in tribal thinking without any form of self-reflection. Northern Europe is a distinct exception due to post-enlightenment and post WW2 cultural norms. The commenters in this thread engaging in transactional tribalism are angry at Trump supporters in the US (and therefore, all Americans because of their tribal "us vs them" lens) for engaging in the same transactional tribalism that they live in. From a game theory perspective, they want the US and northern Europeans to continue to be the good person in the Prisoner's Dilemma game while they reap the rewards. As I've said elsewhere in this thread, the comments here actually support the beliefs of Trump's base, which is "the world hates us, only pretends to be nice to us when we help make them rich, and power is the only currency that matters." There are people in this thread complaining about tariffs on imports in the US that are a fraction of what their own nations charge on imports. They don't seem to grasp that "fairness" is an emotional construct that matters for human voting.
    - watwut 1y ago
      Both sides are the same. Trump and his supporters are the same as people who are their targets .... because it is the same tribalism. > As I've said elsewhere in this thread, the comments here actually support the beliefs of Trump's base, which is "the world hates us, only pretends to be nice to us when we help make them rich, and power is the only currency that matters." When you are t like Trump does, yes you will loose the affection and respect. And besides, Trump and his fans both see those who are friendly to them as suckers to take advantage of. Your wish to be a bully and simultaneously treated like a friend is extremely unrealistic. And not just that, it is a loosing proposition.
- UltraSane 1y ago
  For this lifelong US citizen Trump's death will be one of the happiest days of my life.
  - cmxch 1y ago
    Which will be dashed by someone that fills the void, and does so without meaningful opportunity to harass him with litigation. His motto may end up being “Oderint Dum Metuant”.
    - UltraSane 1y ago
      I honestly feel that Trump's cult of personality is somewhat unique and largely a result of decades of mystique building like his books "Art of the Deal" and The Apprentice. I don't think he would ever have been elected in 2016 if not for The Apprentice. It will be hard for other people to replicate. JD Vance definitely can't do it.
bsder 1y ago
> About half of us are shocked and revolted by pretty much everything he says and does. I'd put that at less than 1/3, actually. The problem is that there is a good third of the US that seems to be completely oblivious that bad shit is going down until it shows up and kicks them in the balls personally. This is, sadly, neither new nor limited to the US. "It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt." John Philpot Curran--1790
- rstuart4133 1y ago
  > This is, sadly, neither new nor limited to the US. But it's not a huge issue in Australia, because Australia has compulsory voting. Whatever you think of the indolent that didn't vote in the USA, if you are right that only 1/3 of the population supported Trump he would not have got in if voting was compulsory. As an Australia, my gut feeling is that our compulsory voting drags everything towards the centre. If a party strays too far from there, their gone. For example we like the USA do have two major parties, split down similar lines. In one state, Western Australia, the right party got taken over by some right wing religious sect. Very few people want government institutions run as a church, and they now have 7 of the 70 or so seats. They ran the place in 2017, and had 31 seats in 2021. Nationally, the right decided marching to Trump's tune would be a vote winner in this years federal election. In other words, they veered sharply to the right. The result - they lost 25% of their seats.
ViewTrick1002 1y ago
Based on the turnout you have 36% who silently approves the result since they didn’t turn up for the election. Followed by 32% of the voting population which strongly approves of the result. The ”not all of us” is a very tempting copout but it is quite evident that the American psyche is in general aligned with Trump.
- xvedejas 1y ago
  Very convenient that you are able to rebrand apathy as approval. They're not actually the same, however.
  - immibis 1y ago
    Your intentions don't matter, only your actions. The fact is that about two thirds of the population voted that they were okay with a Trump presidency, and slightly less than that with a Harris presidency.
  - petralithic 1y ago
    If you don't vote, don't complain about the outcome. It is de facto approval with the result regardless of how one spins it.
    - c22 1y ago
      If you believe the system to be flawed there is no hypocrisy in not engaging with it while simultaneously denouncing the outcome. For instance, I am vehemently opposed to the outcomes produced by a defacto two-party system so for my entire adult life I have exclusively voted for 3rd party candidates on principle. In practice this is akin to not voting at all. I have been accused on multiple occasions of failing to prevent the 'bad' two-party candidate from winning by 'wasting' my vote. Nevertheless, I find it well within my wheelhouse to cast critique.
      - walls 1y ago
        You’re wrong. You have, at best, wasted votes your whole life. But hey, you get to pretend it’s some moral high ground, so, yay! Nice job.
lostlogin 1y ago
> About half of us are shocked and revolted by pretty much everything he says and does. Only 65% voted, so it’s probably safe to say that only 35-40% of the population support him. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2025/2024-presidential-election-voting-registration-tables.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2025/2024-pre...
- immibis 1y ago
  It's equally safe to say only 35-40% of the population oppose him.
- j1elo 1y ago
  > Only 65% voted So 35% voted the option "I'm fine with whatever comes" so a blanket approval can be assumed to whoever won, i.e. in this case an implicit support for Trump.
  - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
    I would guess more like "I hate them both" or "I'm too busy just trying to take care of my family to care about politics". There was also a contingent of "Trump sucks, but I hate the way Biden is handling Gaza". Plus a big chunk of "burn it all down so we can try something new".
    - walls 1y ago
      In other words, 2/3 of people were ok with this.
  - CoastalCoder 1y ago
    I don't think that's accurate. Because of how the electoral college works, some people in deeply Republican states could correctly assume that their individual vote simply wouldn't matter. I don't know if such reasoning swung the election or not. I imagine some political pollsters have a better sense of it.
  - throwawa5 1y ago
buyucu 1y ago
Trump was democratically elected. Twice. Sure, all US Citizens are not like this, but a lot of them are.
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  He still hasn't killed as many people as Bush Jr yet, though he might before this is all over.
  - walls 1y ago
    Are you counting deaths due to dismantling of USAID?
churchill 1y ago
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JPKab 1y ago
Ironically, you are responding to a person who has the attitudes that his supporters believe the entire world has: They don't like Americans unless they are engaging in unequal trade where they sell goods at vastly lower tariff rates than they apply to US imports. They have no problem with China destroying their fisheries, and joining with India to buy tons of Russian oil and finance the destruction of Ukraine, while simultaneously emitting vastly more CO2 than the US does. They just want free defense, one sided "free trade" and the minute they stop getting it, they hate everyone in this country. I don't agree with this attitude, but the commenter absolutely embodies it. This whole thread embodies it. It's the kind of thing I would send to a bunch of swing voters to persuade them to continue to support these policies.
- defrost 1y ago
  > while simultaneously emitting vastly more CO2 than the US does. "vastly" is well out of place here. Currently, on a per annum basis, China is the number one emitter, the United States is number two. China currently puts out ~ 2.5 the total of the US. * less than 3x is hardly "vastly more" * on a per capita basis China emits less per person than the US. * Much of China's emissions are due the US offshoring manufacture, a large chunk the CO2 rising from China is a result of US consumer demand. Moreover, the current yearly outputs are merely the bleeding edge of the CO2 problem - it's the cumulative total that is responsible for the increased insulation that is trapping an increasing amount of heat energy. On that front the US is responsible for more of the total raised by human activity than China. By country, per year: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by... By country, cumulative total: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions
  - JPKab 1y ago
    None of you are responding to the fact that China and India are buying Russian oil and financing the thousands of dead every week. Per capita means nothing to the planet. The temperature climbs regardless, and China has a choice and it's chosen power plants even if India doesn't. They are building coal plants every single day and you don't say anything because you are a product of a left-wing movement that views state capitalism as an offshoot of communism and therefore positive. That's why your movement never has anything critical to say about China. You only care about Muslims if they are being murdered by capitalists. But the uyghurs can just go pound sand. They are literally having forced birth control and have lower birth rates than any Muslim population on the planet and you sit there and ignore it.
exasperaited 1y ago
> Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens. None of us do at the personal level. At the international level we are compelled to. Even in an ordinary administration, internationally a state is indivisible from the government it chose, and any strategy to pretend otherwise is doomed to failure or various kinds of corruption. The larger the amount of money that is staked on ignoring/going around/subverting the national policy of the state in which a business partner is based, the greater the chance of encouraging turning-a-blind-eye grift from elected officials, at the very least. "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!" But this isn't an ordinary administration. Trump is fully into "l'état, c'est moi" [0] and he goes there more and more by the day. From the outside, the degradation just in the last seven months is extremely obvious. Given that international trade policy seems to have been entirely handed to the executive, anyone wishing to trade with a US business must simply assume the USA is Trump. None of the old sense of continuity can be trusted. It's all new. This is deliberate, it's what his voters wanted, but it's also our reality. [0] I anticipate some pushback here. I would accept the criticism that if we're talking about the USA as a single entity, it's intellectually dishonest to focus on matters of internal policy to back that up. To people who want to make that criticism I would simply ask: what international policy, separable from Trump's own grievances, explains the tariffs on Brazil?
walls 1y ago
Two thirds of the country is ok with this. You can spin non-voters however you want, but they were objectively OK with this outcome.

Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens. About half of us are shocked and revolted by pretty much everything he says and does.

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mrheosuper 1y ago

For all i care, he represents all the US citizen. He is your president.

tene80i 1y ago
You ought to care more then, wouldn’t you say? An American has just pleaded with you not to have this attitude and you’ve thrown it back in their face. Hardly a mature attitude or an open mind.
- lazide 1y ago
  The US is just experiencing what every Russian, Iraqi, Afghani, etc. has been dealing with for a long time. It’s FAFO writ large, and the US has been ‘exceptional’ for so long they think they can avoid the FO part.
  - tene80i 1y ago
    But that’s exactly the point - nobody thinks of the citizens of those countries as being unified behind or synonymous with whoever is in charge.
    - lazide 1y ago
      Clearly you’ve never met people? And never seen news discussions, sanctions, seen immigration policies, etc? It may not been as bad and direct as discrimination against the Japanese in WW2, but a ton of people absolutely do discriminate that way. And let’s not talk about Muslims (or anyone with a turban, like Sikhs) post 9/11.
      - tene80i 1y ago
        OK yes I meant no reasonable people. I’m not sure what your point is. That Americans deserve to “find out” terrible things because of their government, but other countries don’t? I was just trying to agree with you that the situations are the same.
        lazide 1y ago
        Deserve has nothing to do with it. But it’s the inevitable consequence of what is going on, and it’s going to get worse. American’s have had a positive PR program for so long, they’re just completely ignorant of what it’s like to no longer have that. The US has switched from exporting the American Dream to exporting the American Nightmare, and that will have long term consequences. People are only now starting to wake up to that fact/feel them, but even if we stopped right this second it will take decades for this to play out. And we’re not stopping, but flooring it.
        brokenmachine 1y ago
        >The US has switched from exporting the American Dream to exporting the American Nightmare, and that will have long term consequences. This, 100%. I'm Australian. I grew up playing basketball and watching American TV and movies, even had superbowl parties with friends on multiple occasions, which is pretty rare here in Australia. Been to the US on holidays. Always got along well with Americans who came here. Take this free opinion from someone outside the exceptionalist bubble: America is on the decline... and it's going to get worse. People won't easily forget this grotesque spectacle.
- mrheosuper 1y ago
  I don't like how people separate themself from "society" when it's convenient for them. You are part of it, whether you like it or not. And last time i check, Trump won most of the swing state, so a large part of US believe in Trump.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    It's also the second time he won.
  - tene80i 1y ago
    The comment above says “Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens.” Nobody is saying he doesn’t officially represent the USA. It’s about not assuming ALL Americans agree with what the administration is doing. A reasonable ask, no?
    - petralithic 1y ago
      You can say that about any country though, of course the leader doesn't represent all of the population, just a majority, if they're a democracy, which is rare these day.
      - onlypassingthru 1y ago
        minor nit: The US doesn't require a majority to win the presidency, only a plurality, which was ~32% in the most recent election.† † https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States...
    - mrheosuper 1y ago
      The Americans expect the world to constantly make distinctions for them while American foreign policy affects everyone regardless of who individual Americans voted for.
    - orwin 1y ago
      Honestly, if you're not protesting, you're enabling. That's why I dont think all Israelis agree with their government, or all gazaoui agree with Hamas. Protests, regular ones, are happening, on both side. I don't see a lot of those in the US to be fair.
- Ylpertnodi 1y ago
  > Hardly a mature attitude or an open mind. Not gp, but: sorry, Americans, for whatever voter turnouts, gerrymandering, secret deals, etc, etc. He's your president. Twice.
  - Ekaros 1y ago
    In the end as outside I see that you have allowed system to end in place where very divisive candidate won. Maybe if decades ago you had worked towards direction where there was more than two options it could be different... And if the other side would have fielded something that got the other side as passionate as Trump does with his base. Whatever you say at least Trump has truly passionate base. Or will next Democrat nominee be Harris?
CoastalCoder 1y ago
I understand the sentiment, and I can't control how fine of a distinction you're making. In fact, you could legitimately blame people like me for not going further to stop the madness. In my particular case, that could cost me my job, which means losing health insurance for my family and myself. That's a choice I'm making, for sure. To that extent I'm culpable for this situation.
- LadyCailin 1y ago
  I’ve aleast applied some logic for all countries with shitty leaders. Russia, or Israel, or Gaza (Hamas) for instance. Who is responsible for the shittyness done by the governments of these countries? The governments, obviously. But when harm starts going to other nations, who is most responsible for stopping that? Surely the answer must be the citizens of that country? We can’t expect, say, Canada, or Zimbabwe, to be the morally responsible people and expect them to go in and stage a coup. If they do, maybe that’s fine, but they can’t be held culpable if they do nothing. The citizens however, must be, as there otherwise is no one else to stop the evil. Now, I include the US in this list too. So, while it’s true that US citizens are not directly responsible for Trump, there is still a dereliction of ethical duty happening, in my opinion, assuming we agree that Trump is harming other people unnecessarily (which, naturally, many Trump supporters would disagree with.) Of course, even if I’m right, what does that mean in practice? That random Americans on vacation in Italy can be snatched up and sent to The Hague? No, obviously not. I think the most practical effect is that this should give all Americans pause to think, and to at minimum ensure that they are not contributing to the problem in any way, and better yet, fighting the problem in some way. Of course, this doesn’t even begin to address the fact that only 1/3 or so of Americans voted for Harris, which was the only choice that actually could have worked to stop Trump. 1/3 voted for him directly, and of course they are responsible, but another 1/3 couldn’t be bothered to vote, so it is actually a supermajority of the American people that are shitty, either because they couldn’t care less about other people, or they actively contributed to the problem.
  - petralithic 1y ago
    Not everywhere is a democracy though. I'd hesitate to call even the US a democracy and therefore the government is independent of the will of the people.
dotandgtfo 1y ago
What a horrible take. I feel compelled to say that in my experience people in northern Europe can empathize with and separate the population from a dysfunctional two-party political system captured by capital.
- JPKab 1y ago
  Most of the world engages routinely in tribal thinking without any form of self-reflection. Northern Europe is a distinct exception due to post-enlightenment and post WW2 cultural norms. The commenters in this thread engaging in transactional tribalism are angry at Trump supporters in the US (and therefore, all Americans because of their tribal "us vs them" lens) for engaging in the same transactional tribalism that they live in. From a game theory perspective, they want the US and northern Europeans to continue to be the good person in the Prisoner's Dilemma game while they reap the rewards. As I've said elsewhere in this thread, the comments here actually support the beliefs of Trump's base, which is "the world hates us, only pretends to be nice to us when we help make them rich, and power is the only currency that matters." There are people in this thread complaining about tariffs on imports in the US that are a fraction of what their own nations charge on imports. They don't seem to grasp that "fairness" is an emotional construct that matters for human voting.
  - watwut 1y ago
    Both sides are the same. Trump and his supporters are the same as people who are their targets .... because it is the same tribalism. > As I've said elsewhere in this thread, the comments here actually support the beliefs of Trump's base, which is "the world hates us, only pretends to be nice to us when we help make them rich, and power is the only currency that matters." When you are t like Trump does, yes you will loose the affection and respect. And besides, Trump and his fans both see those who are friendly to them as suckers to take advantage of. Your wish to be a bully and simultaneously treated like a friend is extremely unrealistic. And not just that, it is a loosing proposition.
UltraSane 1y ago
For this lifelong US citizen Trump's death will be one of the happiest days of my life.
- cmxch 1y ago
  Which will be dashed by someone that fills the void, and does so without meaningful opportunity to harass him with litigation. His motto may end up being “Oderint Dum Metuant”.
  - UltraSane 1y ago
    I honestly feel that Trump's cult of personality is somewhat unique and largely a result of decades of mystique building like his books "Art of the Deal" and The Apprentice. I don't think he would ever have been elected in 2016 if not for The Apprentice. It will be hard for other people to replicate. JD Vance definitely can't do it.

bsder 1y ago

> About half of us are shocked and revolted by pretty much everything he says and does. I'd put that at less than 1/3, actually. The problem is that there is a good third of the US that seems to be completely oblivious that bad shit is going down until it shows up and kicks them in the balls personally. This is, sadly, neither new nor limited to the US. "It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt." John Philpot Curran--1790

rstuart4133 1y ago
> This is, sadly, neither new nor limited to the US. But it's not a huge issue in Australia, because Australia has compulsory voting. Whatever you think of the indolent that didn't vote in the USA, if you are right that only 1/3 of the population supported Trump he would not have got in if voting was compulsory. As an Australia, my gut feeling is that our compulsory voting drags everything towards the centre. If a party strays too far from there, their gone. For example we like the USA do have two major parties, split down similar lines. In one state, Western Australia, the right party got taken over by some right wing religious sect. Very few people want government institutions run as a church, and they now have 7 of the 70 or so seats. They ran the place in 2017, and had 31 seats in 2021. Nationally, the right decided marching to Trump's tune would be a vote winner in this years federal election. In other words, they veered sharply to the right. The result - they lost 25% of their seats.

ViewTrick1002 1y ago

Based on the turnout you have 36% who silently approves the result since they didn’t turn up for the election. Followed by 32% of the voting population which strongly approves of the result. The ”not all of us” is a very tempting copout but it is quite evident that the American psyche is in general aligned with Trump.

xvedejas 1y ago
Very convenient that you are able to rebrand apathy as approval. They're not actually the same, however.
- immibis 1y ago
  Your intentions don't matter, only your actions. The fact is that about two thirds of the population voted that they were okay with a Trump presidency, and slightly less than that with a Harris presidency.
- petralithic 1y ago
  If you don't vote, don't complain about the outcome. It is de facto approval with the result regardless of how one spins it.
  - c22 1y ago
    If you believe the system to be flawed there is no hypocrisy in not engaging with it while simultaneously denouncing the outcome. For instance, I am vehemently opposed to the outcomes produced by a defacto two-party system so for my entire adult life I have exclusively voted for 3rd party candidates on principle. In practice this is akin to not voting at all. I have been accused on multiple occasions of failing to prevent the 'bad' two-party candidate from winning by 'wasting' my vote. Nevertheless, I find it well within my wheelhouse to cast critique.
    - walls 1y ago
      You’re wrong. You have, at best, wasted votes your whole life. But hey, you get to pretend it’s some moral high ground, so, yay! Nice job.

lostlogin 1y ago

> About half of us are shocked and revolted by pretty much everything he says and does. Only 65% voted, so it’s probably safe to say that only 35-40% of the population support him. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2025/2024-presidential-election-voting-registration-tables.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2025/2024-pre...

immibis 1y ago
It's equally safe to say only 35-40% of the population oppose him.
j1elo 1y ago
> Only 65% voted So 35% voted the option "I'm fine with whatever comes" so a blanket approval can be assumed to whoever won, i.e. in this case an implicit support for Trump.
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  I would guess more like "I hate them both" or "I'm too busy just trying to take care of my family to care about politics". There was also a contingent of "Trump sucks, but I hate the way Biden is handling Gaza". Plus a big chunk of "burn it all down so we can try something new".
  - walls 1y ago
    In other words, 2/3 of people were ok with this.
- CoastalCoder 1y ago
  I don't think that's accurate. Because of how the electoral college works, some people in deeply Republican states could correctly assume that their individual vote simply wouldn't matter. I don't know if such reasoning swung the election or not. I imagine some political pollsters have a better sense of it.
- throwawa5 1y ago

buyucu 1y ago

Trump was democratically elected. Twice. Sure, all US Citizens are not like this, but a lot of them are.

amanaplanacanal 1y ago
He still hasn't killed as many people as Bush Jr yet, though he might before this is all over.
- walls 1y ago
  Are you counting deaths due to dismantling of USAID?

churchill 1y ago

JPKab 1y ago

Ironically, you are responding to a person who has the attitudes that his supporters believe the entire world has: They don't like Americans unless they are engaging in unequal trade where they sell goods at vastly lower tariff rates than they apply to US imports. They have no problem with China destroying their fisheries, and joining with India to buy tons of Russian oil and finance the destruction of Ukraine, while simultaneously emitting vastly more CO2 than the US does. They just want free defense, one sided "free trade" and the minute they stop getting it, they hate everyone in this country. I don't agree with this attitude, but the commenter absolutely embodies it. This whole thread embodies it. It's the kind of thing I would send to a bunch of swing voters to persuade them to continue to support these policies.

defrost 1y ago
> while simultaneously emitting vastly more CO2 than the US does. "vastly" is well out of place here. Currently, on a per annum basis, China is the number one emitter, the United States is number two. China currently puts out ~ 2.5 the total of the US. * less than 3x is hardly "vastly more" * on a per capita basis China emits less per person than the US. * Much of China's emissions are due the US offshoring manufacture, a large chunk the CO2 rising from China is a result of US consumer demand. Moreover, the current yearly outputs are merely the bleeding edge of the CO2 problem - it's the cumulative total that is responsible for the increased insulation that is trapping an increasing amount of heat energy. On that front the US is responsible for more of the total raised by human activity than China. By country, per year: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by... By country, cumulative total: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions
- JPKab 1y ago
  None of you are responding to the fact that China and India are buying Russian oil and financing the thousands of dead every week. Per capita means nothing to the planet. The temperature climbs regardless, and China has a choice and it's chosen power plants even if India doesn't. They are building coal plants every single day and you don't say anything because you are a product of a left-wing movement that views state capitalism as an offshoot of communism and therefore positive. That's why your movement never has anything critical to say about China. You only care about Muslims if they are being murdered by capitalists. But the uyghurs can just go pound sand. They are literally having forced birth control and have lower birth rates than any Muslim population on the planet and you sit there and ignore it.

exasperaited 1y ago

> Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens. None of us do at the personal level. At the international level we are compelled to. Even in an ordinary administration, internationally a state is indivisible from the government it chose, and any strategy to pretend otherwise is doomed to failure or various kinds of corruption. The larger the amount of money that is staked on ignoring/going around/subverting the national policy of the state in which a business partner is based, the greater the chance of encouraging turning-a-blind-eye grift from elected officials, at the very least. "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!" But this isn't an ordinary administration. Trump is fully into "l'état, c'est moi" [0] and he goes there more and more by the day. From the outside, the degradation just in the last seven months is extremely obvious. Given that international trade policy seems to have been entirely handed to the executive, anyone wishing to trade with a US business must simply assume the USA is Trump. None of the old sense of continuity can be trusted. It's all new. This is deliberate, it's what his voters wanted, but it's also our reality. [0] I anticipate some pushback here. I would accept the criticism that if we're talking about the USA as a single entity, it's intellectually dishonest to focus on matters of internal policy to back that up. To people who want to make that criticism I would simply ask: what international policy, separable from Trump's own grievances, explains the tariffs on Brazil?

walls 1y ago

Two thirds of the country is ok with this. You can spin non-voters however you want, but they were objectively OK with this outcome.