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Greater Israel: Theology as Cartography – Cartography as Catastrophe
- KnuthIsGod 1y ago"lo tirtzach (do not murder) and tzedek tzedek tirdof (justice, justice shall you pursue) "
- pfannkuchen 1y agoHistorically, don’t most moral codes only apply to the in group?
- nielsbot 1y agoHopefully we've evolved.
- pfannkuchen 1y agoIt makes complete sense that people feel that way. European and Euro derived cultures are universalist from Christianity. But universalism isn’t the norm for moral systems throughout history. We only feel like universalism is best because it permeates the morality we grew up with.
- stephen_g 1y agoNot the Torah - e.g. “[18] He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing. [19] Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.” Deuteronomy 10:18-19 (ESV)
- pfannkuchen 1y agoAnd the New Testament says all kinds of things Christians don’t follow in practice as well.
- Cordiali 1y agoRegarding the second one, variations of that, to help or protect strangers/travellers, seems to have been relatively common across a variety of historical cultures. Tangentially, it also reminds me of a woman's grave that was found in Denmark I think. I can't remember how old the grave was, but something like 3-4000 years. They were able to use isotope analysis of her teeth, hair, stomach contents, etc. to trace her movements. She was from the area, but in the last year of her life, she'd travelled down to around Switzerland and back. There was a documentary about it, I'll see if I can find it...
- pfannkuchen 1y agoTangential, but I am always skeptical of these sorts of reconstructed stories when they rely on purely academic methods such as ancient stomach contents analysis and inferred historical geographic flora. Like, if that’s wrong somehow, how would you know, exactly? Both of those examples are fundamentally non-verifiable.
- Cordiali 1y agoYou can check if there's agreement between different techniques. Tooth enamel would be a pretty trustworthy source of information, for example. It just depends on what level of confidence you want in the results. I'm personally comfortable with a "probable" or "it's likely that" in my history docos. I'm a lot less comfortable with that standard when it comes to planes, trains, and automobiles.
- pfannkuchen 1y agoThat makes sense to me and I’m comfortable with redundant agreeing evidence as well (assuming we don’t ignore any contradictory evidence), but my impression is that these fields do not consistently have such a standard. Maybe my impression is wrong? To me it seems like you need to crawl through the dependency chain and verify that reasonable standards were used all the way up. Does the peer review process in these fields actually enforce this? It seems like no, but I am just a spectator.
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- bryanrasmussen 1y agothere are in most primitive moral codes requirements to welcome strangers and give them hospitality, this is a chance to make an out member come in of course, but there are the truly out - enemies that you are not required to treat nicely.
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- Gibbon1 1y agoI'm not sure what to say about people that encourage other people to keep starting wars they can't win instead of cutting a deal. While being at no personal risk themselves.
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- 4gotunameagain 1y agoIsrael is by definition a western colony and a planted, newly formed state. Of course the displaced people that have been living there for thousands of years will be aggressive against it. What is happening in Gaza is not just atrocious, it is an offence to the very concept of humanity.
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- StopDisinfo910 1y agoThe whole point of the article you are commenting on is discussing the history of the notion of Eretz Yisrael, a political point which has always existed in Israel and has become significant after Netanyahu recent interview - certainly not a “Western fantasy” - and confront it with how it was applied during Israel history. No one is discussing than Ben-Gurion did use borders as a négociation tool. But Likud’s 1977 platform also exists and the “Yinon plan”. The main question is how relevant is the concept to Israel current political environment and ambitions. I have no comment to make about your last paragraph. I fear we have reached the point where history will have to be the judge.
- idiomat9000 1y agoMy whole argument is that "great israel" as an idea in a democracy never had any vetoing power aka any blockung majority. Its as relevant to israel as "nazi-moonbases" are to the western world. Its loud cringe fringe ignored. What Israel wants most of all is peace , because war with a reservist army hurts its economy. Yet, it has been at war with the islamo-supremacists in the arab world forever and a day. Israel has to deal with the reality it faces, not the make a wish realities into which large parts of the west retreat every time they look at the world without looking at it . Thus here we go.. again and again.. the wheelchair war, were your retarded neighbor tries to run you over again and again no matter what you offer..
- lifestyleguru 1y agoWhen people start quoting their "holy book" you know shit is going to turn insane.