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> web browser was also an editor Ummmm all the browsers I know of are also editors... Are there any that aren't? Edit - does no one use dev tools anymore? N

> web browser was also an editor Ummmm all the browsers I know of are also editors... Are there any that aren't? Edit - does no one use dev tools anymore? No HTML? No vanilla JS and CSS? Everyone just using TS, React and gluing things together? Like, you literally have an entire IDE in your browser (assuming you use anything derived from Chrome, Firefox or Safari) that can code a web page live...

aeyes 1y ago
They are talking about a WYSIWYG editor like Netscape Composer
sethaurus 1y ago
You're describing built-in developer tools for editing local files during development. The comment you're replying to is describing the vision of a browser which can edit remote files as part of the normal user workflow, not as a developer-only activity.
- dismalaf 1y ago
  NeXT machines were hardly mass market user machines... They were almost exclusively developer machines. Also Chrome does have stuff like SSH extensions. That being said, some of the computing paradigms of the 80's and early 90's were very cool and I wish they caught on... Lisp machines, Smalltalk, early web ideas were interesting...
tommica 1y ago
DevTools was not part of the original browsers. Firebug brought the concept to existence in the first place. As a sidenote, does manipulating forms count as editing?
- reactordev 1y ago
  Netscape had a JavaScript debugger, IE had a debugger as well. What firebug did was pull the inspector, debugger, console, and everything together in a really nice dev experience. The goal posts were moved far back and the major browsers hurriedly released their “dev tools” to counter FireBug. Chrome being the first after, followed shortly by Safari (who already had an inspector). It would take MS another 6 years to do the same for IE8.
- dismalaf 1y ago
  Netscape had editing tools. Firefox has editing tools. Chrome has editing tools. I think Safari does too? Like, Netscape Composer came OUT of Navigator...
- leptons 1y ago
  >Firebug brought the concept to existence in the first place. There were other browser "dev tools" before firebug. https://www.otsukare.info/2020/08/06/browser-devtools-timeline https://www.otsukare.info/2020/08/06/browser-devtools-timeli...
  - tommica 1y ago
    Crazy - I had forgotten about the earlier ones! The IE one I used at some point, and fiddler too
    - leptons 1y ago
      I still use Fiddler. I prefer it to browser inspector network tab when I need to get into the weeds. It does so much, and I can write custom proxy tweaks with Javascript (actually JScript.NET, but works just like good old JS), and it works with other software, I use it with NodeJS all the time. It's like the Swiss army knife of HTTP.

aeyes 1y ago

They are talking about a WYSIWYG editor like Netscape Composer

sethaurus 1y ago

You're describing built-in developer tools for editing local files during development. The comment you're replying to is describing the vision of a browser which can edit remote files as part of the normal user workflow, not as a developer-only activity.

dismalaf 1y ago
NeXT machines were hardly mass market user machines... They were almost exclusively developer machines. Also Chrome does have stuff like SSH extensions. That being said, some of the computing paradigms of the 80's and early 90's were very cool and I wish they caught on... Lisp machines, Smalltalk, early web ideas were interesting...

tommica 1y ago

DevTools was not part of the original browsers. Firebug brought the concept to existence in the first place. As a sidenote, does manipulating forms count as editing?

reactordev 1y ago
Netscape had a JavaScript debugger, IE had a debugger as well. What firebug did was pull the inspector, debugger, console, and everything together in a really nice dev experience. The goal posts were moved far back and the major browsers hurriedly released their “dev tools” to counter FireBug. Chrome being the first after, followed shortly by Safari (who already had an inspector). It would take MS another 6 years to do the same for IE8.
dismalaf 1y ago
Netscape had editing tools. Firefox has editing tools. Chrome has editing tools. I think Safari does too? Like, Netscape Composer came OUT of Navigator...
leptons 1y ago
>Firebug brought the concept to existence in the first place. There were other browser "dev tools" before firebug. https://www.otsukare.info/2020/08/06/browser-devtools-timeline https://www.otsukare.info/2020/08/06/browser-devtools-timeli...
- tommica 1y ago
  Crazy - I had forgotten about the earlier ones! The IE one I used at some point, and fiddler too
  - leptons 1y ago
    I still use Fiddler. I prefer it to browser inspector network tab when I need to get into the weeds. It does so much, and I can write custom proxy tweaks with Javascript (actually JScript.NET, but works just like good old JS), and it works with other software, I use it with NodeJS all the time. It's like the Swiss army knife of HTTP.