> I didn't suggest our rivers were clean because we export it The combination of "Developed countries generate an order of magnitude more waste per capita. It

> I didn't suggest our rivers were clean because we export it The combination of "Developed countries generate an order of magnitude more waste per capita. It seems unfair to blame poorer countries." and "We send it to other countries, have them dump it for us" sounds like it to me. Plus the sibling comment of "We instead ship it to poorer countries for them to put it in their rivers." And yes I know you only made one of those. So with you not intending that meaning, then I guess you can ignore my comments, they weren't at you. But I still want to counter the other users' implications and statements. The blame and responsibility we have in uncontained plastic is generally unrelated to the quantity we produce. > Blame is neither here nor there, it's a matter of responsibility. In this conversation they're the same to me, you can pretend I said the word responsibility instead.