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Jon Gjengset (jonhoo) Who is famously fastidious did a stream on live coding where he did something similar in terms of control. Worth of a watch if that is a s

Jon Gjengset (jonhoo) Who is famously fastidious did a stream on live coding where he did something similar in terms of control. Worth of a watch if that is a style you want to explore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7Au1tzNxE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7Au1tzNxE I don't have the energy to do that for most things I am writing these days which are small PoC where the vibe is fine. I suspect as you do more, you will create dev guides and testing guides that can encapsulate more of that direction so you won't need to micromanage it. If you used Gemini CLI, you picked the coding agent with the worst output. So if you got something that worked to your liking, you should try Claude.

logicprog 1y ago
> I suspect as you do more, you will create dev guides and testing guides that can encapsulate more of that direction so you won't need to micromanage it. Definitely. Prompt adherence to stuff that's in an AGENTS/QWEN/CLAUDE/GEMINI.md is not perfect ime though. >If you used Gemini CLI, you picked the coding agent with the worst output. So if you got something that worked to your liking, you should try Claude. I'm aware actually lol! I started with OpenCode+GLM 4.5 (via OpenRouter), but I started burning through cache extremely quickly, and I can't remotely afford Claude Code, so I was using qwen-code mostly just for the 2000 free requests a day and prompt caching abilities, and because I prefer Qwen 3 Coder to Gemini... anything for agentic coding.
- sitkack 1y ago
  You can use Claude Code against Kimi K2, DeepSeek, Qwen, etc. The 20$ a month plan gets you access to a token amount of sonnet for coding, but that wouldn't be indicative of how people are using it. https://gist.github.com/WolframRavenwolf/0ee85a65b10e1a442e4bf65f848d6b01 https://gist.github.com/WolframRavenwolf/0ee85a65b10e1a442e4... We gave Gemini CLI a spin, it is kinda unhinged, I am impressed you were able to get your results. After reading through the Gemini CLI codebase, it appears to be a shallow photocopy knockoff of Claude Code, but it has no built in feedback loops or development guides other than, "you are an excellent senior programmer ..." the built in prompts are embarrassingly naive. Qwen has it's own agent which I haven't used https://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-code https://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-code Another is https://github.com/sst/opencode https://github.com/sst/opencode
  - logicprog 1y ago
    > You can use Claude Code against Kimi K2, DeepSeek, Qwen, etc. Yeah but I wouldn't get a generous free tier, and I am Poor lmao. > I am impressed you were able to get your results compared to my brief stint with OpenCode and Claude Code with claude code router, qwen-code (which is basically a carbon copy of gemini cli) is indeed unhinged, and worse than the other options, but if you baby it just right you can get stuff done lol

logicprog 1y ago

> I suspect as you do more, you will create dev guides and testing guides that can encapsulate more of that direction so you won't need to micromanage it. Definitely. Prompt adherence to stuff that's in an AGENTS/QWEN/CLAUDE/GEMINI.md is not perfect ime though. >If you used Gemini CLI, you picked the coding agent with the worst output. So if you got something that worked to your liking, you should try Claude. I'm aware actually lol! I started with OpenCode+GLM 4.5 (via OpenRouter), but I started burning through cache extremely quickly, and I can't remotely afford Claude Code, so I was using qwen-code mostly just for the 2000 free requests a day and prompt caching abilities, and because I prefer Qwen 3 Coder to Gemini... anything for agentic coding.

sitkack 1y ago
You can use Claude Code against Kimi K2, DeepSeek, Qwen, etc. The 20$ a month plan gets you access to a token amount of sonnet for coding, but that wouldn't be indicative of how people are using it. https://gist.github.com/WolframRavenwolf/0ee85a65b10e1a442e4bf65f848d6b01 https://gist.github.com/WolframRavenwolf/0ee85a65b10e1a442e4... We gave Gemini CLI a spin, it is kinda unhinged, I am impressed you were able to get your results. After reading through the Gemini CLI codebase, it appears to be a shallow photocopy knockoff of Claude Code, but it has no built in feedback loops or development guides other than, "you are an excellent senior programmer ..." the built in prompts are embarrassingly naive. Qwen has it's own agent which I haven't used https://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-code https://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-code Another is https://github.com/sst/opencode https://github.com/sst/opencode
- logicprog 1y ago
  > You can use Claude Code against Kimi K2, DeepSeek, Qwen, etc. Yeah but I wouldn't get a generous free tier, and I am Poor lmao. > I am impressed you were able to get your results compared to my brief stint with OpenCode and Claude Code with claude code router, qwen-code (which is basically a carbon copy of gemini cli) is indeed unhinged, and worse than the other options, but if you baby it just right you can get stuff done lol