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There is nothing faulty in the hardware, why they should replace it? Following the same logic: old phones, even iphones can be hacked. Should manufacturers rep

There is nothing faulty in the hardware, why they should replace it? Following the same logic: old phones, even iphones can be hacked. Should manufacturers replace the hardware?

mirzap 1y ago
Yes. If you remember, the exploding Samsung Galaxy Note was recalled globally.
reactordev 1y ago
In my opinion, yes, yes they should. If you can’t guarantee security of your device, and you don’t want to update the software, then you’ll need to upgrade the hardware. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to have that under a warranty.
- TheDong 1y ago
  > I think it’s perfectly reasonable to have that under a warranty. The warranty is not that long, and I think the parent comment is talking about 6+ year old iphones that are definitely out of warranty. If those should get replaced, surely that means each person buys one iPhone in their life, and then just gets free replacements forever, leading to the initial cost of the phone having to go up a lot to account for that.
  - reactordev 1y ago
    Incorrect. Forced obsolescence lets manufacturers decide where that cut off is. 6+ year iPhone, nope, not going to touch it. Sorry. However, if it’s still serviceable and by some rule less than X years old, that just had a security issue or something publicly disclosed, should do their best effort to repair their customer relationships by making it right.
discordance 1y ago
The line between software and hardware is hard to distinguish when we talk about ASICs and FPGAs, but they still should be responsible for core functionality (i.e. locks) as they shipped insecure software.
- ponector 1y ago
  But why? Locks are working. They perfectly fulfill requirements for the lock. Open/close with a key, stay closed if tried to be opened without a key. There is no such thing as secure lock. Any lock could be open without original key. The difference is in the amount of effort. Still baffles me that KIA sold cars which can be driven away using screwdriver and USB cable.
  - trenchpilgrim 1y ago
    > There is no such thing as secure lock. These in fact do exist, but they have properties unsuitable for many use cases, such as taking 8-24 hours to open if you lose the key/combination or a mechanical fault occurs, and being part of a system so heavy the floor beneath them have to be constructed to support the weight. (A friend of mine was a master locksmith for many years and worked on such locks, mostly for government contracts.) In case of a lockout often the easiest way to open them is a brute force attack using a device called an autodialer.
  - ungreased0675 1y ago
    There are some locks that cannot be opened without the correct key. Abloy and BiLock are two examples.
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    - DamnableNook 1y ago
      I assure you, Abloy locks can be picked, e.g. https://youtu.be/oxfUmcMzx08 https://youtu.be/oxfUmcMzx08
fsflover 1y ago
They should open up the specs, so that the community could update the software.

There is nothing faulty in the hardware, why they should replace it? Following the same logic: old phones, even iphones can be hacked. Should manufacturers replace the hardware?

mirzap 1y ago

Yes. If you remember, the exploding Samsung Galaxy Note was recalled globally.

reactordev 1y ago

In my opinion, yes, yes they should. If you can’t guarantee security of your device, and you don’t want to update the software, then you’ll need to upgrade the hardware. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to have that under a warranty.

TheDong 1y ago
> I think it’s perfectly reasonable to have that under a warranty. The warranty is not that long, and I think the parent comment is talking about 6+ year old iphones that are definitely out of warranty. If those should get replaced, surely that means each person buys one iPhone in their life, and then just gets free replacements forever, leading to the initial cost of the phone having to go up a lot to account for that.
- reactordev 1y ago
  Incorrect. Forced obsolescence lets manufacturers decide where that cut off is. 6+ year iPhone, nope, not going to touch it. Sorry. However, if it’s still serviceable and by some rule less than X years old, that just had a security issue or something publicly disclosed, should do their best effort to repair their customer relationships by making it right.

discordance 1y ago

The line between software and hardware is hard to distinguish when we talk about ASICs and FPGAs, but they still should be responsible for core functionality (i.e. locks) as they shipped insecure software.

ponector 1y ago
But why? Locks are working. They perfectly fulfill requirements for the lock. Open/close with a key, stay closed if tried to be opened without a key. There is no such thing as secure lock. Any lock could be open without original key. The difference is in the amount of effort. Still baffles me that KIA sold cars which can be driven away using screwdriver and USB cable.
- trenchpilgrim 1y ago
  > There is no such thing as secure lock. These in fact do exist, but they have properties unsuitable for many use cases, such as taking 8-24 hours to open if you lose the key/combination or a mechanical fault occurs, and being part of a system so heavy the floor beneath them have to be constructed to support the weight. (A friend of mine was a master locksmith for many years and worked on such locks, mostly for government contracts.) In case of a lockout often the easiest way to open them is a brute force attack using a device called an autodialer.
- ungreased0675 1y ago
  There are some locks that cannot be opened without the correct key. Abloy and BiLock are two examples.
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  - DamnableNook 1y ago
    I assure you, Abloy locks can be picked, e.g. https://youtu.be/oxfUmcMzx08 https://youtu.be/oxfUmcMzx08

fsflover 1y ago

They should open up the specs, so that the community could update the software.