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>Editorial Note: I am a lifelong conservative Republican, ordained minister for 20+ years, voted for Trump twice. I'm not a Democrat or Liberal—I'm an American

>Editorial Note: I am a lifelong conservative Republican, ordained minister for 20+ years, voted for Trump twice. I'm not a Democrat or Liberal—I'm an American who remembers when we fought fascism. If I can see what he's doing, why can't you? If you saw Trump's first term, saw the January 6 attack, saw the Project 2025 manifesto, and voted for him again, don't come looking for sympathy about fascism. The signs were all there and you voted for him a second time. This is on you, author of the article. .....god, it keeps going. All of these signs were known well before you voted for him a second time. >How can rational people reconcile supporting a leader who has been accused of sexual misconduct by dozens of women, paid millions in civil settlements, built his fortune on casinos, and demonstrated a consistent pattern of dishonesty and cruelty?

paulbgd 1y ago
I'm going to guess they voted 2016 and 2020, prior to January 6th & Project 2025
- xrd 1y ago
  That's the only way this makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
- Arainach 1y ago
  A fair point that I hadn't considered. The second quote still consists entirely of things we knew in 2015 before the author voted for Trump a first time and comes across as disingenuous.
  - pas 1y ago
    ... it's strictly better that this guy realized that there's a problem and spoke up rather than staying quiet, or staying a GOP supporter that said it's very hard to accept that most people are truly proper fucking idiots, and cannot be reasoned with, cannot be shocked out of their confirmation bias. even harder is to see that many times we are smack dab in the middle of the crowd that's blind to reality.
nailer 1y ago
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- starkpolitics 1y ago
  >That wasn't Trump's platform, though. Ah yes, it wasn't his platform so much so that he just magically hired everyone involved with it in high level advisor position and is on route to complete 47% of it so far. https://www.project2025.observer/en https://www.project2025.observer/en Lying used to be at least believable.
  - nailer 1y ago
    Yes it wasn’t his platform. Agenda 47 was his platform, thank you for acknowledging that project 2025 was not trumps platform and that people lied about this.
    - zzrrt 1y ago
      If you have to defend Trump by saying it wasn't his platform, then you're admitting it's bad for America or unpopular with the people, right? Its actual implementation, as shown in the tracker above, matters more now than whether it was his platform.
- zzrrt 1y ago
  > If you dislike riots the previous administration created more of them Did Biden call on people to “fight like hell” after losing an election? Did he blanket-pardon rioters who were convicted of violent crimes during the riot? Trump did. What rioters did Biden incite or pardon?
  - metalman 1y ago
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  - nailer 1y ago
    Yes there are many democrats who Dita’s misinformation and called for uprising during BLM and you can easily search this yourself.
secretsatan 1y ago
I thought he bankrupted the casinos, he just inherited daddies money + real estate through an elaborate tax avoidance scheme.
- orwin 1y ago
  Trump has like 5 or 6 bankruptcies, but it's not a bad thing and pretty much on purpose. He extracted the value from the companies, saddled them with debts, declared bankruptcies and managed to make money from that. On that particular point, he is as competent as any business leader in the US.

paulbgd 1y ago

I'm going to guess they voted 2016 and 2020, prior to January 6th & Project 2025

xrd 1y ago
That's the only way this makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
Arainach 1y ago
A fair point that I hadn't considered. The second quote still consists entirely of things we knew in 2015 before the author voted for Trump a first time and comes across as disingenuous.
- pas 1y ago
  ... it's strictly better that this guy realized that there's a problem and spoke up rather than staying quiet, or staying a GOP supporter that said it's very hard to accept that most people are truly proper fucking idiots, and cannot be reasoned with, cannot be shocked out of their confirmation bias. even harder is to see that many times we are smack dab in the middle of the crowd that's blind to reality.

nailer 1y ago

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starkpolitics 1y ago
>That wasn't Trump's platform, though. Ah yes, it wasn't his platform so much so that he just magically hired everyone involved with it in high level advisor position and is on route to complete 47% of it so far. https://www.project2025.observer/en https://www.project2025.observer/en Lying used to be at least believable.
- nailer 1y ago
  Yes it wasn’t his platform. Agenda 47 was his platform, thank you for acknowledging that project 2025 was not trumps platform and that people lied about this.
  - zzrrt 1y ago
    If you have to defend Trump by saying it wasn't his platform, then you're admitting it's bad for America or unpopular with the people, right? Its actual implementation, as shown in the tracker above, matters more now than whether it was his platform.
zzrrt 1y ago
> If you dislike riots the previous administration created more of them Did Biden call on people to “fight like hell” after losing an election? Did he blanket-pardon rioters who were convicted of violent crimes during the riot? Trump did. What rioters did Biden incite or pardon?
- metalman 1y ago
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- nailer 1y ago
  Yes there are many democrats who Dita’s misinformation and called for uprising during BLM and you can easily search this yourself.

secretsatan 1y ago

I thought he bankrupted the casinos, he just inherited daddies money + real estate through an elaborate tax avoidance scheme.

orwin 1y ago
Trump has like 5 or 6 bankruptcies, but it's not a bad thing and pretty much on purpose. He extracted the value from the companies, saddled them with debts, declared bankruptcies and managed to make money from that. On that particular point, he is as competent as any business leader in the US.