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You tell me, was the iPhone innovative?

by DrBenCarson 1y ago

kjkjadksj 1y ago
No it was inevitable
- bryanrasmussen 1y ago
  the inevitable things are the greatest innovations (in the realm of technology)
- DrBenCarson 1y ago
  Inevitable * in hindsight * Innovation is the introduction of a new paradigm that works so well that people can no longer imagine not having No one was close to the original iPhone at launch and they didn’t really catch up until ~iPhone 12 for truly competitive alternatives
  - kjkjadksj 1y ago
    It was inevitable in the sense the hardware was already available on the wholesale market. People tend to lionize these companies like they forged the phone out of the living earth themselves. Really they just contract with factories that assemble products out of components available on the wholesale market. Sexy OS? You can argue that came mostly from within since that is how that software was developed, in house. But the hardware stack they ordered and had assembled for you? I’m not so sure.
paulryanrogers 1y ago
Was Ive involved in the iPhone creation? Or only its enshittification?
- dcrazy 1y ago
  When the iPhone was developed, Jony led industrial design but not yet software design.
- DrBenCarson 1y ago
  Jony owned iPhone hardware design top-to-bottom through development and multiple launches You think he’s glorified for literally nothing?
guestbest 1y ago
The iPhone wasn’t as innovative as the AppStore which didn’t come around until iPhone OS 2. Selling software like music changed everything
- DrBenCarson 1y ago
  Cool. App Store extended the true innovation which was a fully capable OS in everyone’s pocket App Store doesn’t exist without iPhone just like Windows doesn’t exist without the PC
  - guestbest 1y ago
    Not really. There was a way of slab typed smart phones with capacitance touch screen windows mobile devices and they were more capable than the iPhone with on board GPS, etc. but they didn’t have an integrated App Store, which was the key to customer retention. The first iPhones didn’t have GPS and so the map app wasn’t quiet as capable as the other high end smart phones in the market as it couldn’t do directions properly. It had the best web browser, though. Every other model of high end smart phones quickly adopted the App Store model since it was such an obviously thing to install application directly to the device, but up until it was a major missing feature. All phones at the time required a computer tethered to do the purchase and installation. With the App Store the age of phones needing full general purpose computers was coming to an end. It was a whole cultural shift in software Later they started the iCloud sync so backups could be done ‘in the field’ as well.
  - paulryanrogers 1y ago
    I recall getting apps on my Blackberry and Treo before iPhone existed.

You tell me, was the iPhone innovative?

kjkjadksj 1y ago

No it was inevitable

bryanrasmussen 1y ago
the inevitable things are the greatest innovations (in the realm of technology)
DrBenCarson 1y ago
Inevitable * in hindsight * Innovation is the introduction of a new paradigm that works so well that people can no longer imagine not having No one was close to the original iPhone at launch and they didn’t really catch up until ~iPhone 12 for truly competitive alternatives
- kjkjadksj 1y ago
  It was inevitable in the sense the hardware was already available on the wholesale market. People tend to lionize these companies like they forged the phone out of the living earth themselves. Really they just contract with factories that assemble products out of components available on the wholesale market. Sexy OS? You can argue that came mostly from within since that is how that software was developed, in house. But the hardware stack they ordered and had assembled for you? I’m not so sure.

paulryanrogers 1y ago

Was Ive involved in the iPhone creation? Or only its enshittification?

dcrazy 1y ago
When the iPhone was developed, Jony led industrial design but not yet software design.
DrBenCarson 1y ago
Jony owned iPhone hardware design top-to-bottom through development and multiple launches You think he’s glorified for literally nothing?

guestbest 1y ago

The iPhone wasn’t as innovative as the AppStore which didn’t come around until iPhone OS 2. Selling software like music changed everything

DrBenCarson 1y ago
Cool. App Store extended the true innovation which was a fully capable OS in everyone’s pocket App Store doesn’t exist without iPhone just like Windows doesn’t exist without the PC
- guestbest 1y ago
  Not really. There was a way of slab typed smart phones with capacitance touch screen windows mobile devices and they were more capable than the iPhone with on board GPS, etc. but they didn’t have an integrated App Store, which was the key to customer retention. The first iPhones didn’t have GPS and so the map app wasn’t quiet as capable as the other high end smart phones in the market as it couldn’t do directions properly. It had the best web browser, though. Every other model of high end smart phones quickly adopted the App Store model since it was such an obviously thing to install application directly to the device, but up until it was a major missing feature. All phones at the time required a computer tethered to do the purchase and installation. With the App Store the age of phones needing full general purpose computers was coming to an end. It was a whole cultural shift in software Later they started the iCloud sync so backups could be done ‘in the field’ as well.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  I recall getting apps on my Blackberry and Treo before iPhone existed.