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So... How fast it will start being used to read thoughts nonconsensually? Military and "law enforcement" always wanted something that isn't torture but gets the

So... How fast it will start being used to read thoughts nonconsensually? Military and "law enforcement" always wanted something that isn't torture but gets the information out of people.

musicale 1y ago
I assume that's a rhetorical question.
Gooblebrai 1y ago
Not anywhere fast taking into account that it requires invasive surgery of the microelectrodes
- inemesitaffia 1y ago
  You think that's going to stop the CIA if they plan to kill you after anyway?
antegamisou 1y ago
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- Muromec 1y ago
  Please, be nice. It's 2025 and you can write "Retard" with a capital R nowdays
  - arresin 1y ago
    Why with a capital R?
  - antegamisou 1y ago
    Carefully re-read the parent comment, I never wrote what you've accused me of.
polytely 1y ago
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randcraw 1y ago
Never. It requires several electrodes to be implanted into the patient first. Then there's an adaptation phase in which the patient trains the system. No spy network is going to be able to surreptitiously tap into your thoughts with this. Ever. The signal available outside the skull is way too weak and blurry.
- AnonymousPlanet 1y ago
  What if you make people do the hard part voluntarily by making the device desirable to them? Including a receptor inside the scull. Then you just have to pick up the pieces. Ever watched Ghost in the Shell?
  - quectophoton 1y ago
    > What if you make people do the hard part voluntarily by making the device desirable to them? This. It's like if you want to collect biometric data about everyone's faces with different expressions, different angles, and how those faces change over time, you just make a mobile app where people voluntarily record themselves. So, if the problems are: >> It requires several electrodes to be implanted into the patient first. Then there's an adaptation phase in which the patient trains the system. Then one possible way I can think of to make people do your work for you, is to release a nice VR videogame to the point it becomes popular, and have some features that make it nicer if you ("enhanced controls", or "your HUD shows exactly what you want just by thinking it like Ironman helmet", or whatever). Taking an existing and popular videogame and making a mod like this would also work. There's non-zero desire for full-dive MMORPGs, so marketing it like a step towards that would entice a non-zero amount of gamers. Once it's normalized on niches like that you'll probably have a better time expanding outside that niche, because by then it would be "that videogame tech thingy that cool and rich streamers use" rather than "the sus mind reading stuff". It doesn't need to be videogames, but the idea is the same, you make an "inoffensive" thing that people want to use, and then leech off the collected data.
- Lapsa 1y ago
  you are wrong. tech is already here. recent advance has been application of deep learning to decode bioelectrical field of your brains. it's an ongoing telecom company side business
Lapsa 1y ago
thoughts are already being read nonconsensually https://patents.google.com/patent/US3951134A/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US3951134A/en perpetrators are even able to communicate back via Frey effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect

So... How fast it will start being used to read thoughts nonconsensually? Military and "law enforcement" always wanted something that isn't torture but gets the information out of people.

musicale 1y ago

I assume that's a rhetorical question.

Gooblebrai 1y ago

Not anywhere fast taking into account that it requires invasive surgery of the microelectrodes

inemesitaffia 1y ago
You think that's going to stop the CIA if they plan to kill you after anyway?

antegamisou 1y ago

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Muromec 1y ago
Please, be nice. It's 2025 and you can write "Retard" with a capital R nowdays
- arresin 1y ago
  Why with a capital R?
- antegamisou 1y ago
  Carefully re-read the parent comment, I never wrote what you've accused me of.

polytely 1y ago

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randcraw 1y ago

Never. It requires several electrodes to be implanted into the patient first. Then there's an adaptation phase in which the patient trains the system. No spy network is going to be able to surreptitiously tap into your thoughts with this. Ever. The signal available outside the skull is way too weak and blurry.

AnonymousPlanet 1y ago
What if you make people do the hard part voluntarily by making the device desirable to them? Including a receptor inside the scull. Then you just have to pick up the pieces. Ever watched Ghost in the Shell?
- quectophoton 1y ago
  > What if you make people do the hard part voluntarily by making the device desirable to them? This. It's like if you want to collect biometric data about everyone's faces with different expressions, different angles, and how those faces change over time, you just make a mobile app where people voluntarily record themselves. So, if the problems are: >> It requires several electrodes to be implanted into the patient first. Then there's an adaptation phase in which the patient trains the system. Then one possible way I can think of to make people do your work for you, is to release a nice VR videogame to the point it becomes popular, and have some features that make it nicer if you ("enhanced controls", or "your HUD shows exactly what you want just by thinking it like Ironman helmet", or whatever). Taking an existing and popular videogame and making a mod like this would also work. There's non-zero desire for full-dive MMORPGs, so marketing it like a step towards that would entice a non-zero amount of gamers. Once it's normalized on niches like that you'll probably have a better time expanding outside that niche, because by then it would be "that videogame tech thingy that cool and rich streamers use" rather than "the sus mind reading stuff". It doesn't need to be videogames, but the idea is the same, you make an "inoffensive" thing that people want to use, and then leech off the collected data.
Lapsa 1y ago
you are wrong. tech is already here. recent advance has been application of deep learning to decode bioelectrical field of your brains. it's an ongoing telecom company side business

Lapsa 1y ago

thoughts are already being read nonconsensually https://patents.google.com/patent/US3951134A/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US3951134A/en perpetrators are even able to communicate back via Frey effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect