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What it actually seems like is that Humanities are trying to retain/gain power in this new world where it's increasingly apparent that rigor is far more valuabl

What it actually seems like is that Humanities are trying to retain/gain power in this new world where it's increasingly apparent that rigor is far more valuable. If humanities taught logic, and actually rigorous analytic capabilities that were on par with STEM, I don't think we'd be in the situation we're in now. Instead it's the opposite. The departments have made humanities increasingly easier, thereby devaluing them even more.

baerrie 1y ago
Rigor is only valuable because the nuance of our existence, captured in the humanities and beyond the dichotomy of true or false, has been erroded away by an entire society built on top of abstract economic concepts in place of true communal bonds that sustained humanity since our inception. This is why Europe and many countries other than the US have healthier humanities, they still have some vestiges of true community that is the heart of humanity, not merely the honor among thieves we see in the US that unites us.
Juliate 1y ago
Rigor is not enough to build durability and sustainability. You learn that when you learn to build structures. It's not even metaphorical.
- holowoodman 1y ago
  Wordplay isn't an argument. You learn that when you actually do engineering.
  - Juliate 1y ago
    Humanities are far, far more than "wordplay".
vehemenz 1y ago
Hi, have you heard of philosophy?
- holowoodman 1y ago
  One can graduate in philosophy without having heard a formal logic lecture. Philosophy only has rigor in some branches, most modern ones are less rigorous and more social, political or economical.
- lacy_tinpot 1y ago
  Hi, Phil major here. I did math. I did logic, which was required. My peers in other humanities generally did not. But Phil might be the only exception. Further I ended up taking a class that actually read original Greek texts, which isn't all that common even within the department I was at. My point still stands.

baerrie 1y ago

Rigor is only valuable because the nuance of our existence, captured in the humanities and beyond the dichotomy of true or false, has been erroded away by an entire society built on top of abstract economic concepts in place of true communal bonds that sustained humanity since our inception. This is why Europe and many countries other than the US have healthier humanities, they still have some vestiges of true community that is the heart of humanity, not merely the honor among thieves we see in the US that unites us.

Juliate 1y ago

Rigor is not enough to build durability and sustainability. You learn that when you learn to build structures. It's not even metaphorical.

holowoodman 1y ago
Wordplay isn't an argument. You learn that when you actually do engineering.
- Juliate 1y ago
  Humanities are far, far more than "wordplay".

vehemenz 1y ago

Hi, have you heard of philosophy?

holowoodman 1y ago
One can graduate in philosophy without having heard a formal logic lecture. Philosophy only has rigor in some branches, most modern ones are less rigorous and more social, political or economical.
lacy_tinpot 1y ago
Hi, Phil major here. I did math. I did logic, which was required. My peers in other humanities generally did not. But Phil might be the only exception. Further I ended up taking a class that actually read original Greek texts, which isn't all that common even within the department I was at. My point still stands.