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Imagen 4 is now generally available
- ivape 1y agoAnyone know if this can be prompted with image to image?
- dsrtslnd23 1y agothey explicitly do not support that yet.
- qoez 1y agoLooks so much better than the yellow tinted chatgpt output in my eyes
- tripplyons 1y agoAfter manually white balancing to remove the tint, I find GPT-Image-1 (the model used in ChatGPT) to be better.
- nkzd 1y agoI am currently building an AI product which relies on Imagen 3 to generate a lot of photorealistic, cinematic or HDR images. I tried Imagen 4 during preview, but results were too "cartoonish". Did anyone else have the same experience?
- LeoPanthera 1y agoYes, it seems very reluctant to generate anything that could be mistaken for a photo.
- joegibbs 1y agoYeah me too, I think 3 does a much better job for photos or even just images that look like realistic renders. I use 3 for generating grids of age-progressed portraits for a game and it does a better job at sticking to the prompt. 4 also seems to spit out ones that have that really smooth look that makes it really obvious it’s AI.
- ctippett 1y agoClicking on "Read the documentation" leads to a page that documents nothing about the latest Imagen models and only provides examples using Gemini 2.0 Flash.
- typpilol 1y agoClassic Google
- mattxxx 1y agoI guess it's kinda nicely genuine that the "four panel comic strip" has some errors in it (misunderstanding caption + cat high-fiving itself in the bonus fifth panel)
- jug 1y agoI was just thinking that. It has many, many errors. 1. Not seen browsing ”ai.dev”. 2. The text ”Imagen 4 is now generally available!” is spoken, not a comic caption. 3. Invalid second panel. 4. Hallucinates ”Meet Imagen 4 fast!” 5. Hallucinates ”It offers low..” etc. (this is the second part of a single sentence said by the cat) 6. Hallucinates ”You can export images in 2K!” (this sentence is not asked for) 7. Doesn’t have the cat and the dog in the fourth panel. — Here’s the gpt-image-1 counterpart with the issues I could find: https://chatgpt.com/share/689f7e4b-01e4-8011-8997-0f37edf8c2ab https://chatgpt.com/share/689f7e4b-01e4-8011-8997-0f37edf8c2... 1. The text ”Imagen 4 is now generally available!” is still spoken, not a caption. 2. ”low latency” -> ”low-laten” (3. Has that ugly gpt-image-1 trademark yellow filter requiring work in post to avoid.) I didn’t bring up the ”retro comic look” thing. I certainly think it’s an issue with Imagen 4’s version. It doesn’t look very old school at all. But I can’t judge the OpenAI one either on that, I’m no comic book expert, so I just skipped that one.
- pogue 1y agoWhat do you have to do to remove the watermark? Is Google's SynthID watermark on top of the image as well or is it embedded in EXIF data?
- postalcoder 1y agoGoogle's SynthID is embedded into the content itself. Google open sourced their SynthID for text. Repo: https://github.com/google-deepmind/synthid-text https://github.com/google-deepmind/synthid-text Paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08025-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08025-4 With images and video, it's less clear exactly what they're doing, but it's watermarking on the pixel leve. From one of their blog posts: Videos are composed of individual frames or still images. So we developed a watermarking technique inspired by our SynthID for image tool. This technique embeds a watermark directly into the pixels of every video frame, making it imperceptible to the human eye, but detectable for identification. https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/watermarking-ai-generated-text-and-video-with-synthid/ https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/watermarking-ai-genera... Elevenlab's audio watermarking is trivial to shake off with compression, but google claims that synthid is resilient to such manipulation.
- Revisional_Sin 1y agoWasn't Imagen 4 released months ago?
- nevir 1y agoYes, but usage was very limited / restricted. Now it's widely available
- cubefox 1y agoI hate that they always announce their image models months before they make them available. They should just announce them later. OpenAI does this much better, with a few days delay at most.
- SweetSoftPillow 1y agoThey were available, just rate limited.
- gawa 1y agoThe webcomics is awful. It feels off, the characters look very fake, unsettling in the way they communicate. The prompt is shown bellow the image, but for me the result looks closer to a prompt "Create lifeless characters reciting marketing slop. They must fake an over exaggerated excitement but it should be clear they don't believe in what they're saying and have no souls". Also, the prompt specifically ask "Panel 4 should show the cat and dog high-fiving" but the cat is high-fiving ... the cat. Personally I find this hallucinated plot twist good, it makes the ending a bit better. Although technically this is demonstrating a failure of the tool to follow the instructions from the prompt. Interesting choice of example for an official announcement.
- typpilol 1y agoIt's weird because I just asked the basic copilot app the same and got a much better result. https://i.imgur.com/kSuqCYg.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/kSuqCYg.jpeg
- SweetSoftPillow 1y agoIt's definitely just a matter of personal preference. To me, your image looks much worse and has the very distinctive look of the GPT-image-1 model.
- cobbzilla 1y agoIt’s more than visual preferences — his image actually adheres to the specified requirements. it hasn’t been shown that Imagen can do that, which might be a showstopper for many people, regardless of aesthetics.
- typpilol 1y agoAnd this is literally just the free tier copilot app from the android store lol. Something I would never use in professional life unlike Claude
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- tmvphil 1y agoThe way it totally disregards the many explicit instructions given in the "four panel" comic strip.
- userbinator 1y agoIn the little experimentation I did with AI image generation, it seems more a game of trying multiple times until you get something that actually looks right, so I wonder how many attempts they did.
- ajd555 1y agoSame for the poster. Asks for the ship to be going towards the right, and it's clearly doing the opposite
- math_dandy 1y agoTo the left of the "detailed spaceship" I think I see a distortion pattern reminiscent of a cloaked Klingon bird of prey moving to the right. Or I'm just hallucinating patterns in nebular noise.
- smokel 1y agoAs seen from the AI's perspective.
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- Jare 1y agoThe ship is reminiscent of Galactica's oldschool vipers. Different, but very similar overall structure.
- thanhhaimai 1y ago> Imagen 4 Ultra: When your creative vision demands the highest level of detail and strict adherence to your prompts, Imagen 4 Ultra delivers highly-aligned results. It seems that you may need the "Ultra" version if you want strict prompt adherence. It's an interesting strategy. Personally, I notice that most of the times I actually don't need strict prompt adherence for image generation. If it looks nice, I'll accept it. If it doesn't, I'll click generate again. For creativity task, following the prompt too strictly might not be the outcome the users want.
- math_dandy 1y agoI was going to nitpick the missing apostrophe in movie posters caption ("STARFALLS REVENGE") but its missing from the prompt, too.
- sowbug 1y ago> its Muphry's Law strikes again.
- decimalenough 1y ago> Muphry's Indeed.
- cco 1y agoJust proves my pet opinion that English apostrophe rules are all universally wrong and confusing. It's and its are backwards. The latter breaks the possessive s rule. Speaking of, the possessive s should _always_ be added, no reason to sometimes omit it if the name ends in an s. Ass backwards, all of it.
- smokel 1y agoThe comments here are priceless. In less than five years time we have gone from "That's impossible" to "Meh, it doesn't solve P=NP if prompted.". For those commenting in the latter category, it might be worthwhile to read a bit about the underlying technology and share your insights on why it does not deliver.
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- quantumHazer 1y agothis is false and the two things are not correlated. if you followed news during the GAN cycle you could extrapolate that deep NN could do this type of things. it is really cool that this things happened so fast, but we are talking about companies that have the money to deploy thousands of cars around the globe to collect data, so they absolutely know how to gather data
- amelius 1y agoYou are ignoring all the hyping here.
- oinfoalgo 1y agoDeep Dream was 2016. The problem with 2025 is I have seen thousands of better examples than that landscape. The reflections in the lake are complete trash. Then I think of Veo 3 that is just incredible. So no, it is not impressive if a still from the video model is vastly better than the static image generator from the same company. I find it especially annoying because I can't think of another company this would happen at. It is just so Google.
- CrzyLngPwd 1y agoAs others have said, with so many errors, it's just more AI slop. Does the world need yet another AI slop generator?
- typpilol 1y agoI asked basically copilot the same and got a much better result lol https://i.imgur.com/kSuqCYg.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/kSuqCYg.jpeg
- coldcode 1y ago>Image generation may not always trigger: >The model may output text only. Try asking for image outputs explicitly (e.g. "generate an image", "provide images as you go along", "update the image"). >The model may stop generating partway through. Try again or try a different prompt. Seriously?
- typpilol 1y agoDoes it still charge 2 cents for that? Lol
- lacoolj 1y ago> the generally availability One of the biggest corporations in the world and they can't re-read before posting a typo in the title. Heads be shakin
- jimmy76615 1y agoI'm glad they can't. The reason large cooperations tend to suck is because some bored management guy cares about typos and invents a process for getting your headlines approved by some other dude who is just as bored and useless. It's a typo, it doesn't matter.
- HocusLocus 1y agoI have found Imagein to be a good general purpose editor and we use it to clean up bitmaps, and adjust black points and white points and curves on greyscale, so it is good for preparing B&W greyscale photographs for print to compensate for dot gain in halftone screens on laser printers. Its 'color separation' capability is rudimentary/first draft though and is ridiculously close to inverse RGB rather than CMYK. For good color seps we use Photoshop so I can control undercolor removal.
- neom 1y agoAre you talking about this google product, or another tool altogether?
- anonymousiam 1y agoThey're probably talking about the original Imagen printing product line from the 1980's. I thought I might be the only one to remember them in this thread, so I did a search for printer and found the GP comment. https://tug.org/TUGboat/tb02-2/tb03imagen.pdf https://tug.org/TUGboat/tb02-2/tb03imagen.pdf
- nh43215rgb 1y agoThis is different from nano banana that others are talking about as the new google model?
- a1371 1y agoIn the couple of prompts I gave it, it's better than the last version but I feel that Google is sacrificing quality for the sake of speed. While it's a lot faster, the output is not as good as OpenAI. Meanwhile Veo3 is far better than the OpenAI's equivalent. I assume speed is not a priority there; both take their time.
- iandanforth 1y agoI tried the following prompt and other than producing a four panel comic that was black and white it completely ignored every other instruction. This was with 4 ultra. Maybe someone else will have better luck but the failure seemed stable. ''' A four panel comic strip. Simple black on white. Stick figures for characters. In the first panel there is a stick figure man and a stick figure bird eating bird seed at his feet. He is slightly hunched over to show he is looking at the bird. In the second panel. He is more hunched over looking more closely at the bird. In the third panel he is even more hunched over practically with his head to the bird, he is crouched down, knees bent, hands on thighs. In the upper left of the third panel the tip of an enormous beak can be seen, but it's only a few lines so could be anything. In the final panel the beak has gobbled up the man and his arms and legs are flailing outside of the beak while the small bird continues to eat birdseed on the ground. '''
- vunderba 1y agoI've updated my GenAI Comparison site to include Imagen4 Ultra, so now we have four Google related generative models (Gemini Flash, Imagen3, Imagen4, and Imagen4 Ultra). Despite claims that Ultra supports improved strict prompt adherence, we saw no evidence that it scored any better than Imagen 4 and in some cases seemed to ignore the prompt altogether (see the "Not the Bees" comic). In many cases, it also seemed much less steerable than Imagen3 requiring many of the prompts to be rewritten. https://genai-showdown.specr.net?models=IMAGEN_3,IMAGEN_4,IMAGEN_4_ULTRA https://genai-showdown.specr.net?models=IMAGEN_3,IMAGEN_4,IM...
- gizmodo59 1y agoLooks like OpenAI imagegen is still the SOTA?
- BoorishBears 1y agoLMArena (https://lmarena.ai/?chat-modality=image https://lmarena.ai/?chat-modality=image) currently has a model codenamed `nano-banana` that is generally strictly better than gpt-image-1 There's some speculation it's Gemini 3's multi-modal output, and other speculation that it's an OpenAI model. Hard to definitively since these models tend to hallucinate when interrogated.
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- vunderba 1y agoOther than LMArena and a website I can't verify is authentic, it's hard for me to run tests on this new model but I have serious doubts that it'll pass my more difficult prompts such drawing a valid 2d maze with clearly marked exit and entrance. gpt-image-1 is in a class all of its own with regards to prompt adherence in the "text to image" category. Once it hits GA I'll put it through its paces and add it to the site!
- cubefox 1y agoI tested it with generating a man holding a Penrose triangle made of wood. While gpt-image-1 succeeded, nano-banana failed. The aesthetics of nano-banana did look much better though. I would guess that it is a diffusion model, based on the fact that it adds irrelevant but pretty background details, which gpt-image-1 tends to avoid.
- djha-skin 1y agoMaybe the fact that they're working on imagen explains why Gemini is just so bad.
- kingstnap 1y agoThe undespecification of
- patates 1y agoPrompt: realistic photo of a duck reading a book about web architecture Result: https://imgur.com/a/Ri0yb31 https://imgur.com/a/Ri0yb31 This is supposed to be SOTA?