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Bad governance does not justify more bad governance. Even if it's true that previous admins have done all this before (it's not) it wouldn't justify a thing.

by causal 1y ago

mexicocitinluez 1y ago
Here's the hilarious part: When you say "previous admins" you're almost certainly talking about previous Republican admins. https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/have-there-been-significantly-more-criminal-actions-taken-against-republican-presidential-administrations-than-democratic-ones/ https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/have-there-been-significant...
- tombert 1y ago
  I don’t know if it falls into the strict definition of “corruption”, but definitely falls into the broader category of “shitty”, but democrat politicians don’t seem to be above abusing their power to enrich themselves with the stock market. There’s an entire (successful) ETF exploiting it. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NANC/ https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NANC/ I’m not a conservative, I’m pretty left-leaning by (American standards at least), but I am not going to act like my side is categorically better in this regard.
  - SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
    I'm sorry to break the news to you, but if you're using the phrase "democrat politicians", you're extremely conservative. This phrase does not exist and is never used outside of deeply partisan conservative circles. If this doesn't align with your understanding of who you are and what you believe, I'd urgently reevaluate your media consumption habits.
    - tombert 1y ago
      It’s actually not conservative at all, they run under the democrat sticker, this is the self-prescribed label. We can argue that the American democrats aren’t very left-leaning and I would probably agree with you, but I reject the idea that I cannot use their own labels to describe them without being described as conservative.
      - sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) You're wrong on both the history and modern usage.
        tombert 1y ago
        Fair enough. I meant to type Democratic but I guess I typed Democrat by mistake and didn’t realize it had baggage. I was typing on a phone. It does seem like a pretty easy mistake to make regardless and I don’t think it’s reasonable to call me “extremely conservative” for making it. It’s still pretty common to call these politicians “democrats”, so someone who isn’t terminally tuned into semantic games might not realize it.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
        > It’s still pretty common to call these politicians “democrats” Yes, this was the Republicans being successful in their efforts. I appreciate you acknowledging the term has baggage.
        tombert 1y ago
        Sure, but at this point it just kind of feels like splitting hairs and just a means of getting offended on purpose. Calling people “extremely conservative” because I used a term that is very commonly used pretty much everywhere but leftist circles is needlessly pedantic and very annoying. I think it’s reasonable to give people the benefit of the doubt. Also I’m not fucking conservative. I think Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder and Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk and pretty much anyone on the internet who has ever challenged anyone to a debate is a fucking moron.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
        The commonality of the term is the result of intentional usage over a long span of time by right wing politicians, media, and personalities. If you've ever disregarded or downplayed the power and reach of right wing media and propaganda, think on this conversation and how a derogatory term for members of the Democratic party entered common usage. You don't have to actually watch or like right wing propaganda to be influenced by it because it is pervasive in the United States and has been for decades.
    - LPisGood 1y ago
      I’m on the left and I use that phrase. It took me forever to figure out what was “wrong” with it. They’re democrats, democrat politicians. Like the other person said, this usage is extremely common and not just on extremist conservative spaces, unless your definition of “extremist” includes 80% of the USA’s overton window
      - tombert 1y ago
        Yeah, that’s the thing. I think a lot of people spend all day on leftist YouTube and live in leftist Discord servers and hang out with self-proclaimed Marxist friends, and that’s all completely fine, but as a result of people not being tuned into their specific vernacular they act like this shit is a dog whistle instead of the fact that i just don’t know (or care much about) this specific vocabulary. I suppose I could be a useful idiot for this, but I don’t feel like saying “democrat” is really that bad as far as these things go. To be fair, republicans are far worse with regards to “pretending to be offended”. You cannot convince me that anyone is actually offended by the term “happy holidays”, but every year I get to hear about a “war on Christmas”
        LPisGood 1y ago
        I have personally known people to be offended by the term and the broader war on Christmas they feel it represents.
        tombert 1y ago
        I know a bunch of people who say they’re offended by it. I don’t believe them, they’re lying to me or themselves, but I think the former. I could be wrong, it’s likely even, but it’s just not something I am going to be convinced of. I think they’re pretending to be offended, because if they act offended then it’s easier for them to “both-sides” stuff, or they think it shows how good of Christians they are.
Cuuugi 1y ago
It's an explanation, not a justification. You're letting past gov'ts away with a lot apparently but overall i agree. The Overton window shifted too far and now an egomaniac is in charge of its reset.

Bad governance does not justify more bad governance. Even if it's true that previous admins have done all this before (it's not) it wouldn't justify a thing.

by causal 1y ago

Bad governance does not justify more bad governance. Even if it's true that previous admins have done all this before (it's not) it wouldn't justify a thing.

mexicocitinluez 1y ago

Here's the hilarious part: When you say "previous admins" you're almost certainly talking about previous Republican admins. https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/have-there-been-significantly-more-criminal-actions-taken-against-republican-presidential-administrations-than-democratic-ones/ https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/have-there-been-significant...

tombert 1y ago
I don’t know if it falls into the strict definition of “corruption”, but definitely falls into the broader category of “shitty”, but democrat politicians don’t seem to be above abusing their power to enrich themselves with the stock market. There’s an entire (successful) ETF exploiting it. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NANC/ https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NANC/ I’m not a conservative, I’m pretty left-leaning by (American standards at least), but I am not going to act like my side is categorically better in this regard.
- SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
  I'm sorry to break the news to you, but if you're using the phrase "democrat politicians", you're extremely conservative. This phrase does not exist and is never used outside of deeply partisan conservative circles. If this doesn't align with your understanding of who you are and what you believe, I'd urgently reevaluate your media consumption habits.
  - tombert 1y ago
    It’s actually not conservative at all, they run under the democrat sticker, this is the self-prescribed label. We can argue that the American democrats aren’t very left-leaning and I would probably agree with you, but I reject the idea that I cannot use their own labels to describe them without being described as conservative.
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) You're wrong on both the history and modern usage.
      - tombert 1y ago
        Fair enough. I meant to type Democratic but I guess I typed Democrat by mistake and didn’t realize it had baggage. I was typing on a phone. It does seem like a pretty easy mistake to make regardless and I don’t think it’s reasonable to call me “extremely conservative” for making it. It’s still pretty common to call these politicians “democrats”, so someone who isn’t terminally tuned into semantic games might not realize it.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
        > It’s still pretty common to call these politicians “democrats” Yes, this was the Republicans being successful in their efforts. I appreciate you acknowledging the term has baggage.
        tombert 1y ago
        Sure, but at this point it just kind of feels like splitting hairs and just a means of getting offended on purpose. Calling people “extremely conservative” because I used a term that is very commonly used pretty much everywhere but leftist circles is needlessly pedantic and very annoying. I think it’s reasonable to give people the benefit of the doubt. Also I’m not fucking conservative. I think Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder and Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk and pretty much anyone on the internet who has ever challenged anyone to a debate is a fucking moron.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
        The commonality of the term is the result of intentional usage over a long span of time by right wing politicians, media, and personalities. If you've ever disregarded or downplayed the power and reach of right wing media and propaganda, think on this conversation and how a derogatory term for members of the Democratic party entered common usage. You don't have to actually watch or like right wing propaganda to be influenced by it because it is pervasive in the United States and has been for decades.
  - LPisGood 1y ago
    I’m on the left and I use that phrase. It took me forever to figure out what was “wrong” with it. They’re democrats, democrat politicians. Like the other person said, this usage is extremely common and not just on extremist conservative spaces, unless your definition of “extremist” includes 80% of the USA’s overton window
    - tombert 1y ago
      Yeah, that’s the thing. I think a lot of people spend all day on leftist YouTube and live in leftist Discord servers and hang out with self-proclaimed Marxist friends, and that’s all completely fine, but as a result of people not being tuned into their specific vernacular they act like this shit is a dog whistle instead of the fact that i just don’t know (or care much about) this specific vocabulary. I suppose I could be a useful idiot for this, but I don’t feel like saying “democrat” is really that bad as far as these things go. To be fair, republicans are far worse with regards to “pretending to be offended”. You cannot convince me that anyone is actually offended by the term “happy holidays”, but every year I get to hear about a “war on Christmas”
      - LPisGood 1y ago
        I have personally known people to be offended by the term and the broader war on Christmas they feel it represents.
        tombert 1y ago
        I know a bunch of people who say they’re offended by it. I don’t believe them, they’re lying to me or themselves, but I think the former. I could be wrong, it’s likely even, but it’s just not something I am going to be convinced of. I think they’re pretending to be offended, because if they act offended then it’s easier for them to “both-sides” stuff, or they think it shows how good of Christians they are.

Cuuugi 1y ago

It's an explanation, not a justification. You're letting past gov'ts away with a lot apparently but overall i agree. The Overton window shifted too far and now an egomaniac is in charge of its reset.