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False equivalence, the local pub doesn’t keep track of your identity.

by khalic 1y ago

mdp2021 1y ago
It's not about accessing pubs. It's about deciding what is a pub.
- khalic 1y ago
  Better still: it has nothing to do with pubs at all
jddj 1y ago
Not to take away from your general point (which I agree with), but that depends where local is. > Identity technology used at a county's pubs and nightclubs since 2023 is to be extended for a further three years. > Northamptonshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner (PFCC) Danielle Stone has agreed to provide funding to keep the scheme at 25 venues that open beyond 01:00. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgm28lmk474o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgm28lmk474o
- khalic 1y ago
  Thanks for the context, jeez that’s concerning
icarouse 1y ago
Your local pub will have CCTV and some have names and photos of banned patrons behind the bar. Some bars and clubs have digital ID scanners upon entry. Most online service providers who verify age are using third-party suppliers who don't provide any details of one's identity, just whether the user has been age verified or not. And much of that is done by recording a selfie, not handing over identity documents.
- ptero 1y ago
  One local pub may have a face scanner, the other may not and I am free to choose which one I go to without fear of reprisals. Refusing to follow a government mandate can land me in jail.
- khalic 1y ago
  Your example doesn’t work. They’re not keeping it for bad actors only, but for every one. Stop trying to oversimplify the concept, it’s not a pub, it’s not a store, it’s a virtual service. This comparison doesn’t help us at all. About the face and not ID: good thing we can’t identify someone using their face! /s
arichard123 1y ago
My local knows exactly who I am, that I'm over 18, where I live, who my kids are, how old they are, what I like to drink etc.
- khalic 1y ago
  Do you really think those things are comparable?
  - arichard123 1y ago
    The claim was a pub doesn't track your identity. I think I proved mine did.
    - khalic 1y ago
      I used the word track, as we were discussing mass surveillance and not pubs, but sure, good job
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  Your local pub doesn't keep records of everything evreryone does in the pub so that they can collate all of your habits and either sell it to advertisers or hand it over to the government when requested. It's a way different set of incentives and outcomes.

False equivalence, the local pub doesn’t keep track of your identity.

by khalic 1y ago

False equivalence, the local pub doesn’t keep track of your identity.

mdp2021 1y ago

It's not about accessing pubs. It's about deciding what is a pub.

khalic 1y ago
Better still: it has nothing to do with pubs at all

jddj 1y ago

Not to take away from your general point (which I agree with), but that depends where local is. > Identity technology used at a county's pubs and nightclubs since 2023 is to be extended for a further three years. > Northamptonshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner (PFCC) Danielle Stone has agreed to provide funding to keep the scheme at 25 venues that open beyond 01:00. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgm28lmk474o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgm28lmk474o

khalic 1y ago
Thanks for the context, jeez that’s concerning

icarouse 1y ago

Your local pub will have CCTV and some have names and photos of banned patrons behind the bar. Some bars and clubs have digital ID scanners upon entry. Most online service providers who verify age are using third-party suppliers who don't provide any details of one's identity, just whether the user has been age verified or not. And much of that is done by recording a selfie, not handing over identity documents.

ptero 1y ago
One local pub may have a face scanner, the other may not and I am free to choose which one I go to without fear of reprisals. Refusing to follow a government mandate can land me in jail.
khalic 1y ago
Your example doesn’t work. They’re not keeping it for bad actors only, but for every one. Stop trying to oversimplify the concept, it’s not a pub, it’s not a store, it’s a virtual service. This comparison doesn’t help us at all. About the face and not ID: good thing we can’t identify someone using their face! /s

arichard123 1y ago

My local knows exactly who I am, that I'm over 18, where I live, who my kids are, how old they are, what I like to drink etc.

khalic 1y ago
Do you really think those things are comparable?
- arichard123 1y ago
  The claim was a pub doesn't track your identity. I think I proved mine did.
  - khalic 1y ago
    I used the word track, as we were discussing mass surveillance and not pubs, but sure, good job
amanaplanacanal 1y ago
Your local pub doesn't keep records of everything evreryone does in the pub so that they can collate all of your habits and either sell it to advertisers or hand it over to the government when requested. It's a way different set of incentives and outcomes.