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> If you want to gain ground politically, you need to at least acknowledge what the problem is, or is perceived to be, and offer a real solution. Why? If you d

> If you want to gain ground politically, you need to at least acknowledge what the problem is, or is perceived to be, and offer a real solution. Why? If you do not believe it is a problem that's just like apologizing when you haven't done anything wrong.

Barrin92 1y ago
if you, like Cory Doctorow, are an activist there's two options. One you scream from a soapbox with no regard for what other people think in which case it's evident you're doing it for self-aggrandizement and attention, or you take into account what the sensibilities and problems are of the people you try to convince and work within that frame of reference. If you're campaigning for technological and/or political change you're in the business of changing peoples minds and if that doesn't matter to you, you've chosen an odd way to spend your time.
- Hizonner 1y ago
  I think all members of your ethnic group are inferior and dangerous (if you identify with more than one ethnic group, pick one). I'm calling for legislation mandating that you all be rounded up and put in camps. If you want to argue against my proposal, please remember to stay within my frame of reference.
  - foldr 1y ago
    That’s an example where there’s not much point in arguing against your proposal precisely because of the impossibility of establishing any kind of shared frame of reference. If people are trying to put you in concentration camps then the time for reasoned argument has most likely passed. On the other hand, people who support and oppose these sorts of age verification laws might actually have a lot of common ground, if they’d take the time to find it.
  - Barrin92 1y ago
    >If you want to argue against my proposal, I don't need to which was my point. You're trying to advance a position so extreme that you'd make a terrible aspiring bigot in US politics. The ones that have some political brains never advance positions so maximalist they turn 80% of the country away.

Barrin92 1y ago

if you, like Cory Doctorow, are an activist there's two options. One you scream from a soapbox with no regard for what other people think in which case it's evident you're doing it for self-aggrandizement and attention, or you take into account what the sensibilities and problems are of the people you try to convince and work within that frame of reference. If you're campaigning for technological and/or political change you're in the business of changing peoples minds and if that doesn't matter to you, you've chosen an odd way to spend your time.

Hizonner 1y ago
I think all members of your ethnic group are inferior and dangerous (if you identify with more than one ethnic group, pick one). I'm calling for legislation mandating that you all be rounded up and put in camps. If you want to argue against my proposal, please remember to stay within my frame of reference.
- foldr 1y ago
  That’s an example where there’s not much point in arguing against your proposal precisely because of the impossibility of establishing any kind of shared frame of reference. If people are trying to put you in concentration camps then the time for reasoned argument has most likely passed. On the other hand, people who support and oppose these sorts of age verification laws might actually have a lot of common ground, if they’d take the time to find it.
- Barrin92 1y ago
  >If you want to argue against my proposal, I don't need to which was my point. You're trying to advance a position so extreme that you'd make a terrible aspiring bigot in US politics. The ones that have some political brains never advance positions so maximalist they turn 80% of the country away.