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https://www.palantir.com/platforms/gotham/ https://www.palantir.com/platforms/gotham/ ctrl-f "kill chain" and watch the video. They have a fucking kanban board

https://www.palantir.com/platforms/gotham/ https://www.palantir.com/platforms/gotham/ ctrl-f "kill chain" and watch the video. They have a fucking kanban board for bombing people.

m463 1y ago
I think of MAD and how it creates peace. In the same way, do people who do things to paint targets on their foreheads read this stuff, and think twice? A lot of criminals are rational.
geetee 1y ago
I mean, let's be realistic.... should they just use an excel spreadsheet?
- progbits 1y ago
  Back in my day we killed people using the waterfall method and we liked it.
  - nradov 1y ago
    Ha ha but you're not wrong. The waterfall methodology — to the extent that it ever existed as a real thing rather than a strawman for agile consultants to criticize — was originally defined to produce predictable results for complex defense software projects. It actually sort of worked some of the time.
infecto 1y ago
Is it that surprising? Ignoring war being good or bad, you would assume there needs to be some method to the madness. I assume before computers this meant a central com center that kept track of everything using humans and chalkboards or tables.
- kmijyiyxfbklao 1y ago
  War should be done by government, including dashboards for killing people. And then the focus should be on improving representation and accountability in the government. Doing this with private companies avoid accountability, the same way payment networks can regulate merchants, or the FBI outsources spying Americans to private contractors.
  - infecto 1y ago
    Not sure I follow. It’s a tracking board for assets.
    - kmijyiyxfbklao 1y ago
      I'm not sure how you don't follow. Is the board used for war? Can bugs in the board cause casualties?
      - infecto 1y ago
        Odd. You said nothing about bugs in your original post. What’s your point can you ELI5 why you would want the government to write software?
        kmijyiyxfbklao 1y ago
        When software is written with the purpose to kill people, that is very important software. That makes the organizations that write it very important. The more important an organization is, the more people from outside the organization should know what they do, and the more they should have say on it. Private organizations don't meet those requirements, government approximates those requirements better. Also, I don't know how you can't see the relationship between bugs and accountability.
        infecto 1y ago
        So the government should make its own guns, tanks, food, planes, fuel etc.? Not trying to be pestering but again I don’t understand your point. Software to me is no different than a plane or a gun. The military does not make those either. It’s a tool that connects data sources to make decisions and I have yet to see a reason why the military has to make a tool instead of paying for one.
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TheAlchemist 1y ago
Is that surprising or bad ? Sure war is bad and killing people is bad, but can we stop acting like it's a choice ? Unfortunately, wars will happen as long as humans exist and it's much better to be on the winning side. So yeah, there are a lot of people building dashboards for killing people and it's not necessarily bad. I would even argue that it's much better than a lot of people whose work is to make kids and adults addicted to screens.
- w_for_wumbo 1y ago
  "wars will happen as long as humans exist" - I fundamentally disagree with this premise. I never once saw a child murder another, so why do we assume it's inevitable when people are grown? Why do we hold adults to lower standards than children. These assumptions when they go unquestioned create the landscape for war to be accepted.
  - milchek 1y ago
    Perhaps OP meant that the military industrial complex will always ensure wars happen? Incentives are there to make money from weaponry and defense contracts. Further incentives are there to take land or resources, or to simply destabilize competing nations. To stop all of this requires a pretty fundamental shift in a human machine that is still hardwired for survival.
    - TheAlchemist 1y ago
      Nope, I mean humans are like that. We always want more, we are jalous of what another one have, there are countless unsolvable issues involving race, religions, history. Sooner or later those transform into wars, inevitably. If by some miracle you could get all nations to agree not to arm, that would work, but of course it's unrealistic. As soon as there is 1 that don't agree (or worse, agree but arm secretely) everybody needs to arm as well.
  - rangestransform 1y ago
    Because we have a lot of resources, I want to keep the amount of resources that I have or increase it, and they want the same for themselves
araes 1y ago
This was actually surprisingly clear. This, and htrp's comment are much clearer than the entire noise article. They make dashboards and apps for killing people. With a lot of technical jargon like "integrating disparate weapons and sensor systems for a kill chain". Somebody in America says "we want to kill somebody" -> satellite gives real-time imagery on location -> weapons systems available nearby are recommended -> user clicks orders and telemetry go out to field operators and ex: drone systems -> predator fires up and flies to location and bombs target -> real-time imagery confirms explosion and results.
- msgodel 1y ago
  My understanding is this used to be done via powerpoints shared over email so I guess having SAAS for it is an improvement?
  - phatskat 1y ago
    And before that, Kissinger was hand-editing military plans for strikes in Vietnam - bolstered only by an overinflated ego - that definitely pretty much just got farmers killed. So the PowerPoints were an improvement I guess lol
BLKNSLVR 1y ago
Looks like they make pretty dashboards for action movies like Mission Impossible.

https://www.palantir.com/platforms/gotham/ https://www.palantir.com/platforms/gotham/ ctrl-f "kill chain" and watch the video. They have a fucking kanban board for bombing people.

m463 1y ago

I think of MAD and how it creates peace. In the same way, do people who do things to paint targets on their foreheads read this stuff, and think twice? A lot of criminals are rational.

geetee 1y ago

I mean, let's be realistic.... should they just use an excel spreadsheet?

progbits 1y ago
Back in my day we killed people using the waterfall method and we liked it.
- nradov 1y ago
  Ha ha but you're not wrong. The waterfall methodology — to the extent that it ever existed as a real thing rather than a strawman for agile consultants to criticize — was originally defined to produce predictable results for complex defense software projects. It actually sort of worked some of the time.

infecto 1y ago

Is it that surprising? Ignoring war being good or bad, you would assume there needs to be some method to the madness. I assume before computers this meant a central com center that kept track of everything using humans and chalkboards or tables.

kmijyiyxfbklao 1y ago
War should be done by government, including dashboards for killing people. And then the focus should be on improving representation and accountability in the government. Doing this with private companies avoid accountability, the same way payment networks can regulate merchants, or the FBI outsources spying Americans to private contractors.
- infecto 1y ago
  Not sure I follow. It’s a tracking board for assets.
  - kmijyiyxfbklao 1y ago
    I'm not sure how you don't follow. Is the board used for war? Can bugs in the board cause casualties?
    - infecto 1y ago
      Odd. You said nothing about bugs in your original post. What’s your point can you ELI5 why you would want the government to write software?
      - kmijyiyxfbklao 1y ago
        When software is written with the purpose to kill people, that is very important software. That makes the organizations that write it very important. The more important an organization is, the more people from outside the organization should know what they do, and the more they should have say on it. Private organizations don't meet those requirements, government approximates those requirements better. Also, I don't know how you can't see the relationship between bugs and accountability.
        infecto 1y ago
        So the government should make its own guns, tanks, food, planes, fuel etc.? Not trying to be pestering but again I don’t understand your point. Software to me is no different than a plane or a gun. The military does not make those either. It’s a tool that connects data sources to make decisions and I have yet to see a reason why the military has to make a tool instead of paying for one.

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TheAlchemist 1y ago

Is that surprising or bad ? Sure war is bad and killing people is bad, but can we stop acting like it's a choice ? Unfortunately, wars will happen as long as humans exist and it's much better to be on the winning side. So yeah, there are a lot of people building dashboards for killing people and it's not necessarily bad. I would even argue that it's much better than a lot of people whose work is to make kids and adults addicted to screens.

w_for_wumbo 1y ago
"wars will happen as long as humans exist" - I fundamentally disagree with this premise. I never once saw a child murder another, so why do we assume it's inevitable when people are grown? Why do we hold adults to lower standards than children. These assumptions when they go unquestioned create the landscape for war to be accepted.
- milchek 1y ago
  Perhaps OP meant that the military industrial complex will always ensure wars happen? Incentives are there to make money from weaponry and defense contracts. Further incentives are there to take land or resources, or to simply destabilize competing nations. To stop all of this requires a pretty fundamental shift in a human machine that is still hardwired for survival.
  - TheAlchemist 1y ago
    Nope, I mean humans are like that. We always want more, we are jalous of what another one have, there are countless unsolvable issues involving race, religions, history. Sooner or later those transform into wars, inevitably. If by some miracle you could get all nations to agree not to arm, that would work, but of course it's unrealistic. As soon as there is 1 that don't agree (or worse, agree but arm secretely) everybody needs to arm as well.
- rangestransform 1y ago
  Because we have a lot of resources, I want to keep the amount of resources that I have or increase it, and they want the same for themselves

araes 1y ago

This was actually surprisingly clear. This, and htrp's comment are much clearer than the entire noise article. They make dashboards and apps for killing people. With a lot of technical jargon like "integrating disparate weapons and sensor systems for a kill chain". Somebody in America says "we want to kill somebody" -> satellite gives real-time imagery on location -> weapons systems available nearby are recommended -> user clicks orders and telemetry go out to field operators and ex: drone systems -> predator fires up and flies to location and bombs target -> real-time imagery confirms explosion and results.

msgodel 1y ago
My understanding is this used to be done via powerpoints shared over email so I guess having SAAS for it is an improvement?
- phatskat 1y ago
  And before that, Kissinger was hand-editing military plans for strikes in Vietnam - bolstered only by an overinflated ego - that definitely pretty much just got farmers killed. So the PowerPoints were an improvement I guess lol

BLKNSLVR 1y ago

Looks like they make pretty dashboards for action movies like Mission Impossible.